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Wilbekin on Kennard, Why?

Rafi said:
Duke ran Kennard off 2 or 3 picks every possession. A switch to a 3-2 zone would quickly nullify that strategy. Wake has the personnel to run it well - it would have allowed us to play Collins and Moore down low to rebound better and complete defensive possessions (which was our true Achilles heel at the end of the game). It's usually harder to rebound out of zone, but we were struggling to get defensive rebounds at the end because we were playing small.
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I have no idea if your solution would've worked or not but guess what? Danny didn't do it and probably won't be reading your post and following your advice! But it's good to know that you (and maybe other posters) have it all figured out and that we're just a couple of strategic moves away from an NCAA berth!
 
If you are small, you better be quick. Wilbekin is too slow too defend. Never have understood why Manning plays Wilbekin so much.
 
Rafi said:
Duke ran Kennard off 2 or 3 picks every possession.
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There should have been a foul called on Kennard's game winning shot. Look at the replay- Kennard was wide open because Giles landed a huge moving screen on Wilbekin that pushed him out of bounds. This happened 5 ft in front of the ref.
 
DCDeac said:
At different points in the game tonight we tried Wilbekin, Crawford, Woods, and Arians on Kennard. He shot 100% from 3 against all of them.

Duke used whoever Wilbekin was guarding to screen for Kennard a few times, forcing a switch and giving Kennard an open look. So we used Wilbekin to try to deny him the ball and whoever's man screened would switch to challenge a shot. But it ended up being Collins who was picked, not a guard, and he hesitate on the closeout and got stuck doing nothing.

The problem is just Wilbekin being on the floor at all. We're up and need a stop and he's a horrible defender. He gets 26 minutes, makes one shot, gets zero boards, one bullshit assist and one bullshit steal. We don't trust McClinton, fine. They're playing 3 guards so Dinos has nobody he can defend. It's just a fucking shit situation because we have no athletic 3 we can depend on to stop anyone. As was discussed ad-nauseum beforehand, in crunch time it bit us in the ass.
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Yeah why was he even on the floor after the TO? Whom on Duke's team are you comfortable with him guarding there?
 
Complacent Deac said:
Where's Cornelius Hudson when we need him?
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McClinton had played pretty well defensively earlier in the season and played a few minutes in the first half. Not sure if he could hang with kennard off the dribble, although neither could Wilby, but his size could have helped on the outside shot. Or put him on jones, who is not fast, and put woods on kennard. I assume Crawford was on tripper
 
CHillDeac said:
There should have been a foul called on Kennard's game winning shot. Look at the replay- Kennard was wide open because Giles landed a huge moving screen on Wilbekin that pushed him out of bounds. This happened 5 ft in front of the ref.
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Yep, that is correct and was obvious in real time. However, after their previous offensive possession in which Kennard should have been called for a charge for flattening Crawford before his pass to Allen it was clear the refs had swallowed their whistles (which is maddening given how they had called the rest of the game).
 
BlackjackMc said:
+1.

Collins, Moore and Dinos played a combined 53 minutes. That leaves 27 minutes with one low post player and four undersized perimeter players on the floor. The result was Duke had a seven rebound advantage and 12 offensive rebounds. Three of those offensive boards were in the final four minutes and led to eight of Dukes final 14 points. One of the few consistent aspects to the Deacs game is that they will blow a lead with the small lineup.
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Nailed it. WF goes super small at the end of games with Chill, Welbekin, Woods and Crawford all in at the same time; every time WF does this it blows leads (WF almost blew the entire lead at State; fell apart late at Cuse, blew at 10 point lead against Duke). Duke predictably scored on 3 of its key late game possessions by getting second shots because WF gave up offensive boards with only had one player on the Court taller than 6-3. So frustrating to watch WF get leads playing a bigger lineup, and then watching them evaporate with a smaller lineup. Playing 4 guards at the same time is the recipe for disaster.
 
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CHillDeac said:
There should have been a foul called on Kennard's game winning shot. Look at the replay- Kennard was wide open because Giles landed a huge moving screen on Wilbekin that pushed him out of bounds. This happened 5 ft in front of the ref.
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Definitely a moving screen on Giles.

 
Lohengrin said:
I have no idea if your solution would've worked or not but guess what? Danny didn't do it and probably won't be reading your post and following your advice! But it's good to know that you (and maybe other posters) have it all figured out and that we're just a couple of strategic moves away from an NCAA berth!
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Unfortunately Lohengrin DM has show repeatedly this season that he has no answers in the final 5 minutes. He had option since Wilkebin had shown he could not cover his man. Try a box and 1, double team him like they did at State. 3-2 zone, anything to give Duke a new look. They had designed the same play they always run and if we had thrown a different defense maybe they would have had problems. Look at what Kansas did--they were not able to guard man to man and went to a zone to win there game. Sometimes you have to do the unexpected. Even if Manning had switched Wilkebin and Crawford it would have been a different look. Making the same mistake over and over is the definition of insanity.
 
Rafi said:
Yep, that is correct and was obvious in real time. However, after their previous offensive possession in which Kennard should have been called for a charge for flattening Crawford before his pass to Allen it was clear the refs had swallowed their whistles (which is maddening given how they had called the rest of the game).
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30 total fouls called on Duke. 4 in the last 9:34 of the game. That says it all.
 
Buttermaker said:
Yeah why was he even on the floor after the TO? Whom on Duke's team are you comfortable with him guarding there?
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He's on the floor because he's a great free throw shooter and doesn't turn the ball over. He hit 6 straight to lock up the NC State win. He's pretty much always on the floor to close out games.

Duke got away with a moving screen and Collins didn't help. Not really sure how much of a difference it would have made if it was Crawford or Woods or Arians running into that Giles screen. Maybe one of them sees it coming and calls for help earlier? Who knows. I'm not really a fan of how much playing time Wilbekin gets in general so hopefully this is more evidence to go a different direction in the future... At the same time Arians went nuts and just started throwing the ball away against Clemson, Dinos has some terrible turnovers in crunch time against pressure, McClinton is just bad... It's no secret we're a flawed team with no great answer to tall shooting guards. If Collins helps like he should have, maybe gets a piece of the Kennard shot or Giles misses a baseline hook, we're having a completely different discussion today. In a situation where they're pretty much guaranteed to screen for Kennard and get a switch, Wilbekin starting off on him to deny him the ball isn't the worst idea. It's not like Crawford or Woods stopped him either when they had their shot. Definitely wouldn't put Childress on him. Kid hit a huge shot, we took horrible shots down the stretch.

The season is far from over. If this team can get over the hump of closing out games like this, we can still do some damage. We just have to execute on offense down the stretch - this is never going to be a team that you can count on to get a stop in end-game situations.
 
How does Wilbekin's FT prowess help up 1 on defense? Got to get a stop before planning to get fouled.
 
PhDeac said:
How does Wilbekin's FT prowess help up 1 on defense? Got to get a stop before planning to get fouled.
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I mean, if mcclinton is in and they miss and foul him in the rebound, or if he panics and throws it away after the rebound, we're killing Manning for that outcome as well.

If it were me I think Arians did the best job on kennard overall. I put him in and switch everything. But that play still could have happened in the exact same way. Plus such a quick shot is a gamble since we had ample time to tie or win.

It's basketball - great offense can always beat great defense. Heck we'd just banked in a shot. Woods could have hit his tough 3.

We lost Collins 5 minutes in and built a 10 point lead anyway. We were in position to win. In hindsight any option is better than the outcome. Getting these guys to focus and execute in the last 2 minutes they way they are in the first 38 is clearly a huge struggle with no easy answer. UNC just hands the ball to Jackson or Barry. UVA hands it to perrantes. FSU has Bacon. We need someone to step up.
 
^^ this. Not arguing about MW being out there on offense with a lead, necessarily, butnon D? In that last possession situation??
 
The refs also made two horrific calls in the last 90 seconds. Even Gminski said they missed when Allen grabbed Wilbekin's arm directly in fron of the ref. This cost us five points- The three Allen hit and the Wilbekin din't get.

The shot clock call was wrong as well. The ball hit the rim and went out off of Duke.
 
Pilchard said:
Nailed it. WF goes super small at the end of games with Chill, Welbekin, Woods and Crawford all in at the same time; every time WF does this it blows leads (WF almost blew the entire lead at State; fell apart late at Cuse, blew at 10 point lead against Duke). Duke predictably scored on 3 of its key late game possessions by getting second shots because WF gave up offensive boards with only had one player on the Court taller than 6-3. So frustrating to watch WF get leads playing a bigger lineup, and then watching them evaporate with a smaller lineup. Playing 4 guards at the same time is the recipe for disaster.
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It's a good lineup but only when the other team is putting us on the line. It's like Manning assumed Duke would foul us when in reality Duke exploited our lack of height with offensive boards.
 
Our guards are tiny. Theirs are big. They will set picks to get a 6'6 guy covered by a 6'1 guy. It's not that difficult a concept. They also have two options for this play.
 
DCDeac said:
At different points in the game tonight we tried Wilbekin, Crawford, Woods, and Arians on Kennard. He shot 100% from 3 against all of them.

Duke used whoever Wilbekin was guarding to screen for Kennard a few times, forcing a switch and giving Kennard an open look. So we used Wilbekin to try to deny him the ball and whoever's man screened would switch to challenge a shot. But it ended up being Collins who was picked, not a guard, and he hesitate on the closeout and got stuck doing nothing.

The problem is just Wilbekin being on the floor at all. We're up and need a stop and he's a horrible defender. He gets 26 minutes, makes one shot, gets zero boards, one bullshit assist and one bullshit steal. We don't trust McClinton, fine. They're playing 3 guards so Dinos has nobody he can defend. It's just a fucking shit situation because we have no athletic 3 we can depend on to stop anyone. As was discussed ad-nauseum beforehand, in crunch time it bit us in the ass.
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On the DC Deac Excuse - o - Meter, this scores really high - maybe a 9.4 Well done! Looking forward to see if you can top it after the Boston College game. Continue to meditate to the the chant of "It's not the coaching, It's not the coaching...... There is no telling the heights you can reach!
 
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