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WSJ article about Congress and the Health Care law

Agree that congress and staff should not be exempt. If this is a good law it is good for all. Pubs are missing an opportunity to be genuine and not merely look out for themselves. Waiving the exemption for themselves would be a strong statement of solidarity with the American public.
 
Ted Cruz is reading Green Eggs & Ham on the Senate floor as we speak.
 
Wrangor said:
Agree that congress and staff should not be exempt. If this is a good law it is good for all. Pubs are missing an opportunity to be genuine and not merely look out for themselves. Waiving the exemption for themselves would be a strong statement of solidarity with the American public.
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Seriously, instead of doing what you mentioned and winning public support, they have Ted Cruz reading Green Eggs and Ham to fake filibuster something his own party's leadership doesn't even want...Morons.
 
RJKarl said:
Ted Cruz is reading Green Eggs & Ham on the Senate floor as we speak.
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I don't agree at all with the defunding attempts, but I gotta applaud his efforts here.
 
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Liquid Karma said:
I don't agree at all with the defunding attempts, but I gotta applaud his efforts here.
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Why? All this is about drawing attention to himself, developing his cred as someone working outside the party, and building his war chest for a 2016 run. This isn't something you typically applaud.
 
While predictably hypocritical, I can't really say I blame congress for wanting out of Obamacare. it's really kind of funny. Dems voted for Obamacare and they want out. No Pubs voted for Obamacare and they're fighting to keep congress in.

I guess Pubs believe forcing Dems to participate in this piece of shit plan is the best way to get them to defund it. Might work.
 
This is a pretty technical issue around the structure of government benefit plans and their interaction with the exchanges. It all arose because of a GOP amendment to the ACA that Democrats unwisely accepted. It doesn't have any relevance to any American who isn't an employee of the federal government in the first place. While it makes a good sound bite to say "Congress wants to be exempt", it really has no relation to anything real. If you're interested in finding out the detail behind this, rather than believing the WSJ editorial page spin on it, I'd advise you to read the following links.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/25/no-congress-isnt-trying-to-exempt-itself-from-obamacare/

http://www.theday.com/article/20130924/OP01/309249978
 
just heard on the radio that rates here in Illinois will be on average 25% lower than the feds expected. I'm a small business owner now and I have cobra'd my benefits for the past two months from the corporate job I left in July waiting for Oct. 1. Sounds like I'm going to survive this enormous breach of my freedom and liberty, and live to work another day.... thank you socialist devils!!!
 
WakeandBake said:
just heard on the radio that rates here in Illinois will be on average 25% lower than the feds expected. I'm a small business owner now and I have cobra'd my benefits for the past two months from the corporate job I left in July waiting for Oct. 1. Sounds like I'm going to survive this enormous breach of my freedom and liberty, and live to work another day.... thank you socialist devils!!!
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Like I said in another thread. If rates actually go down long term and this whole thing works it will be great. The intentions of Obamacare were/are honorable...I personally don't believe that will be the case, and I believe the evidence is pretty clear that it won't be the case. Anecdotal radio announcements in Illinois aside we should all hope it works, because I don't think the Republicans have the capital to stop it.
 
Wrangor said:
Like I said in another thread. If rates actually go down long term and this whole thing works it will be great. The intentions of Obamacare were/are honorable...I personally don't believe that will be the case, and I believe the evidence is pretty clear that it won't be the case. Anecdotal radio announcements in Illinois aside we should all hope it works, because I don't think the Republicans have the capital to stop it.
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This is absolute BS! What we have is evidence from states that that about 1/3 of the nation's population that premiums will be going down. Those are the only ones that have been published.

Other places it's likely to go down, but the governors of those states won't their states participate in the exchanges.
 
RJKarl said:
Dems don't want out or it would be done.
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It is already done. According to the article, which my guess is you didn't read, "Under pressure from Congress, The White House has carved out a special exemption for Congress and it's staffers from Obamacare."

Dems now just have to vote for the Pub-sponsored bill to end the exemption. What kind of odds do you want on that happening?
 
WakeandBake said:
just heard on the radio that rates here in Illinois will be on average 25% lower than the feds expected. I'm a small business owner now and I have cobra'd my benefits for the past two months from the corporate job I left in July waiting for Oct. 1. Sounds like I'm going to survive this enormous breach of my freedom and liberty, and live to work another day.... thank you socialist devils!!!
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I'm sure Illinois residents whose employers will drop them from coverage due to Obamacare will be happy to know that their out of pocket expenses will be about 25% less than the Feds had expected.
 
Wrangor said:
Like I said in another thread. If rates actually go down long term and this whole thing works it will be great. The intentions of Obamacare were/are honorable...I personally don't believe that will be the case, and I believe the evidence is pretty clear that it won't be the case. Anecdotal radio announcements in Illinois aside we should all hope it works, because I don't think the Republicans have the capital to stop it.
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the evidence here in my state as well as others show that, in fact, it is looking like it will be the case. :noidea:

You might want to look up 'anecdotal' in your dictionary, too.
 
Shorty said:
I'm sure Illinois residents whose employers will drop them from coverage due to Obamacare will be happy to know that their out of pocket expenses will be about 25% less than the Feds had expected.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/obamacare-employers_n_3286508.html

The health care law's requirement that companies with at least 50 employees provide affordable health benefits is the chief reason most firms expect their spending on health insurance to rise in 2014, according to a poll conducted by the International Foundation of Employee Benefit Plans, an organization of human resources professionals. Nevertheless, more than two-thirds of companies definitely plan to offer health benefits to full-time workers, and just 0.5 percent said they definitely will discontinue coverage. More than 90 percent of companies surveyed currently offer health benefits to full-time workers.
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and it looks to me like, according to this anyway, that between 2000 and 2011 companies were dropping employer coverage without the specter of Obamacare and premiums doubled in that period.

A new study from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) finds that higher premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance have led to a decline in the number of U.S. residents with work-based coverage.
According to the study, 159 million people had such coverage in 2011, down by 11.5 million from 2000. Average premiums for employer-based coverage increased from $2,490 in 2000 to $5,081 in 2011. Employee contributions also increased during that period from $435 to $1,056.
All but three states reported a statistically relevant decline in employer-based coverage during the period, with rates falling by at least 10 percentage points in 22 states. The largest decline was in Michigan where the employer-based coverage rate dropped by 15.2% from 2000 to 2011, while the smallest rate of decline—less than 1%--was in North Dakota.
The only demographic to experience an increase in employer-sponsored coverage were young adults ages 19 to 25, which the study attributed to the Affordable Care Act provision allowing dependents under age 26 to remain on their parents' insurance policy (Block, Modern Healthcare, 4/11 [subscription required].
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Shorty said:
I'm sure Illinois residents whose employers will drop them from coverage due to Obamacare will be happy to know that their out of pocket expenses will be about 25% less than the Feds had expected.
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Except there's no evidence that's happening. Employers who drop insurance are likely to lose employees to non-asshole companies.

What would be an interesting study is to see if companies do drop insurance what percentage of them are Republicans.
 
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