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Dino defended himself & his players?

I was too young to know Jimmy v as a coach but I do find it hypocritical that Bilas will crap all over him during our game and in a few months be schilling for donations on behalf of the mothership.
 
Tobacco Road said:
That may be true of some, but there are plenty of people that had their own interactions with the basketball program and formed their own opinions from direct interactions. I have no idea if Wellman has devised some systematic scheme to defame Dino, but what has happened seems to be blown out of proportion on this board. It helps to fuel the black and white story line that some feel the need to drive and others are just willing to accept in their frustration of the current situation.
If anyone makes a negative comment about the program pre-Bz, it is because Wellman fed that to them. Even Dino's buddy Deman, in the midst of his freakout, admitted there were lots of people within the department that were going to wake up the next morning thrilled with the decision. The fact is, there were people that were not please with the basketball program at the time of Dino's departure. Their speaking out (whispering) after the fact does not mean it was fueled or ordered by Wellman. There are a lot of people in the AD that may have their own personal agendas. To be clear, I am not saying Wellman has zero responsibility for the narrative, I just don't know, and neither do most here.
It just seems to simple-minded for those that think any negative comment pre-Bz comes directly from Wellman. Anyone that says almost anything positive is a shill or Wellman lackey. Our athletic department, sports programs and the people that make them up have their good and bad, just like always. It is not all one or the other. The difference recently has just been the balance has changed a bit. SOME don't seem capable of that nuance, but that is a separate issue.
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True, no one here knows Wellman's entire role in the formation of the culture argument. We all do know that he said nothing publicly to discourage smears on former players and Dino. He also praised Dino for the players development off the court and extended his contract, then a couple of months later turned around and fired him. Later, Wellman participated in the smear and allowed it to go on. Wellman also got [Redacted] to keep Dino's assistants. Wellman's athletic department is also apparently feeding smears to national media commentators. (Where else could Bilas have gotten this spin anyway, which sounds exactly like what has been fed to the fans? Does anybody think previously disgruntled faculty is calling Bilas?). When you combine these facts with Wellman's hiring and retention of Buzz, along with his own defense of his actions, it's not a pretty sight. And most important of all, people who behave this way have no standing to teach culture to anyone, much less teach culture at my alma mater.
 
After finally finding out all this stuff, I am surprised that this was not a big blow up thread topic after the game.
 
On October 14, 2009, Dino Gaudio received an extension. At this point...
-James Johnson hadn't gone to class the end of his last semester
-Gary Clark's incident had been investigate and dismissed
-Ty Walker and Tony Woods had been enrolled at Wake for an entire year, the former was a known asshat by this point
-Ari Stewart was enrolled at Wake
-JT Terrell and Melvin Tabb were committed to Wake, post AD vetting, and would sign their LOI a month later

So what exactly were the culture problems that occurred between the extension and the termination?

And, of course, under Jeff [Redacted]...
-Gary Clark was appointed team captain
-JT Terrell was given numerous chances after alcohol related issues
-Melvin Tabb was given numerous chances after generally not having his life together
-Ty Walker was given numerous chances (and, per Baby, more chances than he had left w/ Dino)
-Tony Woods was offered a spot with the program after serving his school mandated expulsion

Ari Stewart is the only case where the culture warriors have the least bit of an argument, but I suspect that was very mutual. And, contrary to popular belief, Ari did try initially under [Redacted].

So what exactly did [Redacted] do to clean up the program that Dino wouldn't have done?
 
Let's not recast history just because Bzz sucks so much and makes 90% of the coaches in America look good.

IIRC there was not a lot of outrage over Dino being fired. There were two camps, but it was more of those that thought Dino deserved another year and those that thought they had seen enough.

Remember that some of the national media had been openly questioning Dino's post season performance especially after he got his last NCAA bid.

I've always thought he was fired for his teams falling apart in Feb/March and getting crushed by lower seeds in the ACCT and then Clev. St.

The culture BS line came after Bzz was hired and I think was the spin they tried to use to justify hiring him.
 
Deac83 said:
Let's not recast history just because Bzz sucks so much and makes 90% of the coaches in America look good.

IIRC there was not a lot of outrage over Dino being fired. There were two camps, but it was more of those that thought Dino deserved another year and those that thought they had seen enough.

Remember that some of the national media had been openly questioning Dino's post season performance especially after he got his last NCAA bid.

I've always thought he was fired for his teams falling apart in Feb/March and getting crushed by lower seeds in the ACCT and then Clev. St.

The culture BS line came after Bzz was hired and I think was the spin they tried to use to justify hiring him.
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That was mostly overblown by the camp on the board that wanted to get Dino fired.

There was supposedly somebody that overheard Larry Brown on an airplane saying Dino was a bad coach and one national sports guy tweeted something negative about his coaching at the ACC tournament.

When he got fired, the national media reaction was mostly surprise based on his record.
 
Deac83 said:
Let's not recast history just because Bzz sucks so much and makes 90% of the coaches in America look good.

IIRC there was not a lot of outrage over Dino being fired. There were two camps, but it was more of those that thought Dino deserved another year and those that thought they had seen enough.

Remember that some of the national media had been openly questioning Dino's post season performance especially after he got his last NCAA bid.

I've always thought he was fired for his teams falling apart in Feb/March and getting crushed by lower seeds in the ACCT and then Clev. St.

The culture BS line came after Bzz was hired and I think was the spin they tried to use to justify hiring him.
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At the time I was concerned about how it would impact the perception of the job to fire someone with Dino's regular season record, but I was certainly excited for change. The culture narrative pisses me off so much, in part because it shows that there was a culture change in our program, but a very negative one. Where the millionaire head coach isn't responsible for anything. If it can't be blamed on the previous coach then it's blamed on the players or the fans. It's embarrassing. Far more embarrassing than the Gary Clark incident, which everyone has already forgotten.
 
ChrisL68 said:
That was mostly overblown by the camp on the board that wanted to get Dino fired.

There was supposedly somebody that overheard Larry Brown on an airplane saying Dino was a bad coach and one national sports guy tweeted something negative about his coaching at the ACC tournament.

When he got fired, the national media reaction was mostly surprise based on his record.
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The point is that any dissatisfaction with Dino prior to Bz was strictly based on on-court results, not character issues.
 
ChrisL68 said:
That was mostly overblown by the camp on the board that wanted to get Dino fired.

There was supposedly somebody that overheard Larry Brown on an airplane saying Dino was a bad coach and one national sports guy tweeted something negative about his coaching at the ACC tournament.

When he got fired, the national media reaction was mostly surprise based on his record.
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The discussion about Dino's performance was a little more than that, but the media did flip flop after he was fired.

If we had hired Marshall back then, no one would be lamenting the firing of Dino. Bzz makes Dino look like Wooden (well Wooden without all the post season success).
 
That's because the media was saying "He should be on the hot seat next year, depending on how the team does" not "Wake should fire him immediately."

There was no flip flop. We just fired him a year too early
 
Most fans would be over any coaching change if we brought in a winner.

Odom won 2 ACC titles, an NIT, and took us to an elite 8 and two other Sweet 16s and people were over his removal because Skip had success here.
 
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Well, there are people (not me) that still think Odom shouldn't have been allowed to leave.
 
ChrisL68 said:
That was mostly overblown by the camp on the board that wanted to get Dino fired.

There was supposedly somebody that overheard Larry Brown on an airplane saying Dino was a bad coach and one national sports guy tweeted something negative about his coaching at the ACC tournament.

When he got fired, the national media reaction was mostly surprise based on his record.
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You don't seem to remember the national reaction to the Miami ACCT loss.
 
PhDeac said:
You don't seem to remember the national reaction to the Miami ACCT loss.
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That was the game where a national commentator tweeted something bad about Dino's coaching. It certainly wasn't like there was a major reaction that it was an indictment of Dino's coaching. It was a bad loss.
 
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After the Miami ACCT loss, I remember thinking, if he couldn't get it done the next year we needed to evaluate our options.

I was shocked when he was fired and optimistic. Then I was shocked and furious by the hire. Put my faith in Wellman and that quickly evaporated.
 
ChrisL68 said:
That was the game where a national commentator tweeted something bad about Dino's coaching. It certainly wasn't like there was a major reaction that it was an indictment of Dino's coaching. It was a bad loss.
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Actually, it was a televised game and the live comment was: "that's the worst coached basketball team I've ever seen".
 
raldeac said:
Actually, it was a televised game and the live comment was: "that's the worst coached basketball team I've ever seen".
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I am pretty sure that is supposedly what Larry Brown said after the Carolina game. No way is an ACC commentator or ESPN commentator going to say that. They haven't even said that about [Redacted] during a game where we completely didn't show up.
 
I know it is an odd comment and an odd person, Brown, to be in a position to make it. However, that's how I recall hearing it. And, Brown hasn't been on as I recall, afterward.
 
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