Cleveland Indians going to be sued. Braves next?

[SkinsNDeacs]

Here's the litmus test: if it's something you wouldn't say to the face of someone in the class, then it's probably offensive. In the case of Cleveland and Atlanta, the logos were the big issues. Caricatures can easily be insulting. In Washington's case, it's the name. I think the Braves quietly retired the Indian-faced logo they used in the 70's-80's. The names, though, aren't inherently pejorative, unlike Washington's. And one does not need to be a member of a suspect class in order to be offended by derogatory terms applied to that class. I'm certainly not equating the offense of hearing it with being the recipient but to assert that if you're not a member you shouldn't be offended is silly. And it's also weak to assert that because some members of that group have no problems with the name doesn't mean you can't argue its offensiveness. But I don't think the cases against Cleveland or Atlanta (if/when it happens) are on the same ground as Washington's.

The Braves blood thirsty war chant and swinging of foam tomahawks is not offensive? The Redskins never portray American Indians in such stereotypical images.

 

[DeaconBrews]

The Braves blood thirsty war chant and swinging of foam tomahawks is not offensive? The Redskins never portray American Indians in such stereotypical images.

you are aware of the origins of the war chant, right?

 

[SkinsNDeacs]

you are aware of the origins of the war chant, right?

Origins don't matter. All that matters is if it is offensive.

 

[DeaconBrews]

Origins don't matter. All that matters is if it is offensive.

I'm just asking whether or not you actually know.

 

[SkinsNDeacs]

Yes I do.

 

[DeaconBrews]

Yes I do.

Then you know it's DEION'S FAULT.

i refuse to do the chant because i hate f$u.

 

[SkinsNDeacs]

Would they still be doing it of they were named the Atlanta Generals?

 

[DeaconBrews]

our franchise would never have such a stupid name

and Redskins ≠ Braves

 

[qcdeac]

Kansas City Chiefs.

I thought they changed their name to the Chefs?

Yeah, it's already been changed.

 

[ONW]

Someone finally got my reference!

 

[deacondamo]

"Seminoles" and "Illini" aren't derogatory. Neither is "Irish." I know the argument on those names is either the pandering (in FSU's case) or the use of "fighting." I won't say I like the Chief Osceola schtick but in the other two areas, it's hard to argue offensiveness at its core. I get the "fighting" aspect but that's hardly limited to a particular race.

Have you ever met an Irishman?

 

[DeacinBama]

Have you ever met an Irishman?

I have. He was drunk.

 

[LCDeacon]

I am surprised people aren't in an uproar over UNC having a nickname that was used to describe brave confederate soldiers.

 

[jhmd2000]

I am surprised people aren't in an uproar over UNC having a nickname that was used to describe brave confederate soldiers.

The term Tar Heel was pejorative until it was thoroughly cleansed by waves of generations of gentlemen scholars who by coincidence also happen to be dominant at intercollegiate athletics.

 

[deacondamo]

The term Tar Heel was pejorative until it was thoroughly cleansed by waves of generations of gentlemen scholars who by coincidence also happen to be dominant at intercollegiate athletics.

Too bad they couldn't read.

 

[awaken]

Someone finally got my reference!

Great googaley-moogaley!

 

[Deacfreak07]

Skins fans are pretty sensitive lot. I read a lot of their rants about the braves as a toddler in a sandbox. I think they write them that way, so it works out.

 

[SkinsNDeacs]

Isn't sensitivity the goal?

 

[CheesePritchard]

I will also accept the Atlanta FAT CHIPPER JONESES

I would have bet money he exploded but he hasn't yet.

 

[JManslow]

This feels like a thread TheRef would start