BBall Recruiting Thread 2k16- SJM, Washington, Childress & Mitchell sign NLIs; 2017?

[Shorty]

You can consider me a bandwagon wake fan I guess. I am from PA and graduated from Temple University but grew up a wake fan. Saw Duncan play on tv while on family vacation in NC while in elementary school. Just started to play rec Bball myself and became a fan instantly. Went to the local mall the next day, bought a champion TD jersey and have been hooked since.

Yep, welcome. Glad to have you. Just pay attention to your noun-verb agreement.

 

[Dukeson]

Hey, Duke fan here. Kudos for letting fans of other schools post on this board; I know that's not the case on many private boards.

Just want to measure the temperature here re: Giles. I take it most of you believe Giles is Wake's to lose? Heavy Wake lean? Wake silent verbal?

Thanks.

PS: If you guys could beat UNC this weekend that'd be great.

 

[JamesSokolove]

He keeps visiting Wake indicating that he still has a lot to learn about the school before feeling comfortable making a decision. He's probably leaning towards schools that don't get official visits like UNC or Winston-Salem State. Duke's best hope is for him to cancel the trip at the end of the month.

 

[wfufb2014]

Hey, Duke fan here. Kudos for letting fans of other schools post on this board; I know that's not the case on many private boards.

Just want to measure the temperature here re: Giles. I take it most of you believe Giles is Wake's to lose? Heavy Wake lean? Wake silent verbal?

Thanks.

PS: If you guys could beat UNC this weekend that'd be great.

I would say most are cautiously optimistic that things are beginning to even out between Wake and Duke in his recruitment based on him coming back a few weekends this fall on unofficials. I don't think many at all would say that he is a heavy Wake lean or ours to lose.

 

[Brendan207]

I would say most are cautiously optimistic that things are beginning to even out between Wake and Duke in his recruitment based on him coming back a few weekends this fall on unofficials. I don't think many at all would say that he is a heavy Wake lean or ours to lose.

Yeah I'm slightly more optimistic than the 24-7 guys but if I had to put money on it I'd probably bet he'll go to Duke. I honestly believe we have a chance though, that's as far as I'd be willing to take it. I think he'll get more attention at Wake and will develop into a better pro if he comes to Wake. He'll become a hometown hero and would have way more fun being a Deac. The shot at a championship is really the only think that Wake can't offer. Of course, if he did choose Duke he'd be just another face alongside a bunch of McDonalds All-Americans nobody will really remember, he'd be stuck on the freshman side of boring Durham campus, and he wouldn't become a hometown hero. I do think Kentucky is a dark horse, I think Cal is as dirty a recruiter as anybody out there so I don't trust them whatsoever. But I still can't understand why so many 5 stars want to go there and not get as much coaching, PT, or national attention as if they'd chosen a different program. Time after time many of the one-and-done players projected draft positions have suffered after a year at Duke or Kentucky. Hopefully Danny and Chill have shown HG the list.

 

[TRD Ferguson]

Yeah I'm slightly more optimistic than the 24-7 guys but if I had to put money on it I'd probably bet he'll go to Duke. I honestly believe we have a chance though, that's as far as I'd be willing to take it. I think he'll get more attention at Wake and will develop into a better pro if he comes to Wake. He'll become a hometown hero and would have way more fun being a Deac. The shot at a championship is really the only think that Wake can't offer. Of course, if he did choose Duke he'd be just another face alongside a bunch of McDonalds All-Americans nobody will really remember, he'd be stuck on the freshman side of boring Durham campus, and he wouldn't become a hometown hero. I do think Kentucky is a dark horse, I think Cal is as dirty a recruiter as anybody out there so I don't trust them whatsoever. But I still can't understand why so many 5 stars want to go there and not get as much coaching, PT, or national attention as if they'd chosen a different program. Time after time many of the one-and-done players projected draft positions have suffered after a year at Duke or Kentucky. Hopefully Danny and Chill have shown HG the list.

Not really sure the "draft positions have suffered" argument really works considering wake hasn't really been putting out one and dones and danny manning's bigs from
Kansas haven't exactly found great success in the league.

 

[PhDeac]

Not really sure the "draft positions have suffered" argument really works considering wake hasn't really been putting out one and dones and danny manning's bigs from
Kansas haven't exactly found great success in the league.

The argument is that Top 20 players who go to UK don't necessarily end up getting drafted higher than they would otherwise or performing better in the league than they would otherwise. Call it the Jeff vs. Marquis Teague argument.

 

[Ayo]

Yeah I'm slightly more optimistic than the 24-7 guys but if I had to put money on it I'd probably bet he'll go to Duke. I honestly believe we have a chance though, that's as far as I'd be willing to take it. I think he'll get more attention at Wake and will develop into a better pro if he comes to Wake. He'll become a hometown hero and would have way more fun being a Deac. The shot at a championship is really the only think that Wake can't offer. Of course, if he did choose Duke he'd be just another face alongside a bunch of McDonalds All-Americans nobody will really remember, he'd be stuck on the freshman side of boring Durham campus, and he wouldn't become a hometown hero. I do think Kentucky is a dark horse, I think Cal is as dirty a recruiter as anybody out there so I don't trust them whatsoever. But I still can't understand why so many 5 stars want to go there and not get as much coaching, PT, or national attention as if they'd chosen a different program. Time after time many of the one-and-done players projected draft positions have suffered after a year at Duke or Kentucky. Hopefully Danny and Chill have shown HG the list.

Anthony Davis didn't get national attention? Hurt his draft position? Anthony-Towns hurt his draft position? Come on, this is such a dumb, dumb, tired argument.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Anthony Davis didn't get national attention? Hurt his draft position? Anthony-Towns hurt his draft position? Come on, this is such a dumb, dumb, tired argument.

Not going to get into an unwinnable argument about Cal's coaching, but saying that Kentucky and Duke players don't get enough national attention is beyond stupid. UK just had a nationally televised practice. Half of Wake's games are on fucking ESPN3. I really don't think Harry Giles is worried about not getting enough national attention at Duke or Kentucky.

 

[chill43]

Hey, Duke fan here. Kudos for letting fans of other schools post on this board; I know that's not the case on many private boards.

Just want to measure the temperature here re: Giles. I take it most of you believe Giles is Wake's to lose? Heavy Wake lean? Wake silent verbal?

Thanks.

PS: If you guys could beat UNC this weekend that'd be great.

The easy choice for Harry is Duke. He would get great exposure, play with elite talent, win. Wake offers the chance to be the hometown hero, help make Wake competitive and sends message that Wake is an option for top talent.Harry would be Mannings of Dawkins and K. If had to bet, I would say Duke, but my heart wants to say Wake.

 

[Dkin]

The argument is that Top 20 players who go to UK don't necessarily end up getting drafted higher than they would otherwise or performing better in the league than they would otherwise. Call it the Jeff vs. Marquis Teague argument.

How exactly do you quantify where a player would have gotten drafted had he gone to a different school?

 

[simosfrostyone]

All that can be said on this subject has been said, and much more, but the bottom line is that we all know that the safe choice for him is Duke. That is why we all are steeling ourselves for a Charlie Brown situation.

 

[Ayo]

The argument is that Top 20 players who go to UK don't necessarily end up getting drafted higher than they would otherwise or performing better in the league than they would otherwise. Call it the Jeff vs. Marquis Teague argument.

Other players in the top 10 of the 2011 RSCI rankings with Teague: Quincy Miller, James Michael McAdoo, LeBryan Nash, Adonis Thomas.

It's almost as if recruiting rankings aren't always a good predictor of NBA success. And I don't know what Danny Manning has to do with Jeff Teague's NBA success.

 

[Wrangor]

I think the easy choice is Kentucky to be honest. If he goes to Duke he has to face up to the reality that W-S will no longer be his bread and butter hometown. He will probably get a mixture of boos and cheers when Duke comes to play at the Joel. If he goes to Kentucky he won't ever have to come back and play Wake in his hometown. It is a simpler path to stardom. I think that while all the stars are aligned for him to go to Duke, that he knows that will be a bitter pill to swallow. I would have to guess it is a 3 horse race, with all three school having great strengths and weaknesses.

Wake Forest:
Strength - hometown hero, Giles is Manning 2.0, a legitimate Wake fan for a good portion of his life, comfortable
Weakness - state of program is way down, If Giles doesn't produce, chances for championship contention are minimal

Duke:
Strength - close to home, so family and friends can visit, Great tradition, Coach K is the face of basketball right now
Weakness - betrayal of hometown by going to rival (I think this is a real issue...I could be wrong, who knows)

Kentucky:
Strength - NBA dominance, Cal is #1 recruiter in the world, facilities and pro atmosphere
Weakness - no personal connection, isolated from family and friends, no ACC

 

[PhDeac]

How exactly do you quantify where a player would have gotten drafted had he gone to a different school?

Ideally with a multilevel model of all top 100 players over the "one and done" era. Level 1 player/season data include position, measurements, ranking, season stats, and draft position. Level 2 stats include team stats, record, postseason results, and coach experience and record.

Absent such data and analysis? #anecdotes such as the Teagues.

 

[KitchinDeac]

I think the easy choice is Kentucky to be honest. If he goes to Duke he has to face up to the reality that W-S will no longer be his bread and butter hometown. He will probably get a mixture of boos and cheers when Duke comes to play at the Joel. If he goes to Kentucky he won't ever have to come back and play Wake in his hometown. It is a simpler path to stardom. I think that while all the stars are aligned for him to go to Duke, that he knows that will be a bitter pill to swallow. I would have to guess it is a 3 horse race, with all three school having great strengths and weaknesses.

Wake Forest:
Strength - hometown hero, Giles is Manning 2.0, a legitimate Wake fan for a good portion of his life, comfortable
Weakness - state of program is way down, If Giles doesn't produce, chances for championship contention are minimal

Duke:
Strength - close to home, so family and friends can visit, Great tradition, Coach K is the face of basketball right now
Weakness - betrayal of hometown by going to rival (I think this is a real issue...I could be wrong, who knows)

Kentucky:
Strength - NBA dominance, Cal is #1 recruiter in the world, facilities and pro atmosphere
Weakness - no personal connection, isolated from family and friends, no ACC

Good analysis. I'm increasingly concerned about Kentucky. I think its the safe pick. Cal has proven you can get drafted #1 even playing fewer minutes than he would play elsewhere due to UK being 10 deep with NBA talent. Also, the downsides you mentioned are not really that big of a deal. Isolation from friends and family might be an issue if he was picking a school for 4 years, but he is picking a school for 8 months. Mom, dad, friends getting to Lexington 15 times during basketball season won't be a problem, I'd imagine.

 

[pourdeac]

I think the easy choice is Kentucky to be honest. If he goes to Duke he has to face up to the reality that W-S will no longer be his bread and butter hometown. He will probably get a mixture of boos and cheers when Duke comes to play at the Joel. If he goes to Kentucky he won't ever have to come back and play Wake in his hometown. It is a simpler path to stardom. I think that while all the stars are aligned for him to go to Duke, that he knows that will be a bitter pill to swallow. I would have to guess it is a 3 horse race, with all three school having great strengths and weaknesses.

Wake Forest:
Strength - hometown hero, Giles is Manning 2.0, a legitimate Wake fan for a good portion of his life, comfortable
Weakness - state of program is way down, If Giles doesn't produce, chances for championship contention are minimal

Duke:
Strength - close to home, so family and friends can visit, Great tradition, Coach K is the face of basketball right now
Weakness - betrayal of hometown by going to rival (I think this is a real issue...I could be wrong, who knows)

Kentucky:
Strength - NBA dominance, Cal is #1 recruiter in the world, facilities and pro atmosphere
Weakness - no personal connection, isolated from family and friends, no ACC

Thought the same thing. If this has come down to some sort of issue where you disappoint Dad by not going to Duke or Mom's hometown wishes to stay at Wake....Kentucky is the safe "neutral" choice.

 

[TownieDeac]

Why disappoint just one parent when you can alienate both!

Always was my approach as a kid.

 

[Biff Tannen]

Why disappoint just one parent when you can alienate both!

Always was my approach as a kid.

Did you stop when you entered adulthood ?

 

[Wrangor]

Thought the same thing. If this has come down to some sort of issue where you disappoint Dad by not going to Duke or Mom's hometown wishes to stay at Wake....Kentucky is the safe "neutral" choice.

Plus his visit there is going to ridiculous. I still think he chooses the value of being a hometown hero, but I think all three schools have an equal shot at this.