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Possible Wake Forest Coaching Candidates Analysis

he did, Koby McEwen who transferred to Marquette

edited: looks like that was actually the coach before Craig
 
Frosty said:
I also don’t get how some folks argue that recruiting the next coach will be difficult since nobody wants to work for an AD who might be gone in 2-3 years. We have a very clear metric to measure success. Win and you’re fine.
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Sounds reasonable in theory. The question is how much winning is required to make you feel safe. Because the coach doesn’t have a guarantee that a new A.D. will be his patient in the building process as the current A.D. would’ve been.

A .500 record in conference is better than where we are now, so it would be an improvement. But is that enough for the new A.D. in a given year? That’s the unknown that some coaches may not want to mess with.

Agree that we want coaches who plan on winning so they don’t really care about how many losses still make them safe. But that’s just the reality of the business.
 
HONDO2 said:
BTW, I can't find it but was told there was a current ( within 1 year ) list on USAToday ranking the top 60 coaching salaries/compensation. Manning was on the list at around #53 or 54.

Mentions original salary of $1.2 million and getting a 'bump' to $1.7 million plus extention but no info on buy-out provision if any.

IF accurate, this is substantially less than that info that was posted of Manning getting $3.0 million annually with $18 million due him.
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As a private institution, Wake's reporting on salaries lags behind that of public universities, and we have no idea what kind of increases, etc could be structured into the contract. In short, we don't know and it's already been discussed ad nauseam.
 
Im all in on #Shaka2019 lets make this happen.

Seriously there is a good chance he is fired at the end of the year. Why couldn't this be a real possibility?
 
DeacDaddy said:
Sounds reasonable in theory. The question is how much winning is required to make you feel safe. Because the coach doesn’t have a guarantee that a new A.D. will be his patient in the building process as the current A.D. would’ve been.

A .500 record in conference is better than where we are now, so it would be an improvement. But is that enough for the new A.D. in a given year? That’s the unknown that some coaches may not want to mess with.

Agree that we want coaches who plan on winning so they don’t really care about how many losses still make them safe. But that’s just the reality of the business.
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Wellman isn't getting enough pressure from the alumni/donors to can Manning now, so why would a perspective coach think a new AD would get pressure to fire them if executing way better than Manning? A new coach is going to worry about enthusiasm and turnout over anything else.
 
A good coach doesn't worry about what happens if he can't win, because he plans to win. And every contract has some sort of financial windfall for a coach who is fired anyway.
 
HONDO2 said:
BTW, I can't find it but was told there was a current ( within 1 year ) list on USAToday ranking the top 60 coaching salaries/compensation. Manning was on the list at around #53 or 54.

Mentions original salary of $1.2 million and getting a 'bump' to $1.7 million plus extention but no info on buy-out provision if any.

IF accurate, this is substantially less than that info that was posted of Manning getting $3.0 million annually with $18 million due him.
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Manning is listed in three form 990's:
Year ending June 2017: $1.793M
Year ending June 2016: $1.713M
Year ending June 2015: $1.275M

So my guess is that he is contract was structured for a low figure in the first year, given Wake was paying buyouts to both Grobe and [Redacted] and then bumped up by a bunch, with the higher number in 2017 likely driven by making the NCAAT.

Short version - we don't know yet what the extension paid. Should have some read this summer (when the 990 for Y/E June 2018 will be available), but that will likely only reflect a partial year under the extension. And then, god willing, the 990 for Y/E June 2019 will be complicated by his buyout.
 
pourdeac said:
Wellman isn't getting enough pressure from the alumni/donors to can Manning now, so why would a perspective coach think a new AD would get pressure to fire them if executing way better than Manning? A new coach is going to worry about enthusiasm and turnout over anything else.
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Some AD’s do what they think is best for the program rather than what pressure they are or aren’t getting.
 
As a Cubs fan who has spent the entire winter hoping in the face of all logic, reason, and the scourge that is the Ricketts family for a hail mary Bryce Harper signing, please--please--do not get my hopes about Shaka, again. I was so in the last time and the disappointment nearly...well...it was pretty par for the course for us Wake fans, but you get it.
 
I'd totally be down for Shaka. I refuse to get my hopes up though as last time we went through this destroyed College Hoops for me. Manning was never in my eyes the hire we needed.
 
DeacDaddy said:
Sounds reasonable in theory. The question is how much winning is required to make you feel safe. Because the coach doesn’t have a guarantee that a new A.D. will be his patient in the building process as the current A.D. would’ve been.

A .500 record in conference is better than where we are now, so it would be an improvement. But is that enough for the new A.D. in a given year? That’s the unknown that some coaches may not want to mess with.

Agree that we want coaches who plan on winning so they don’t really care about how many losses still make them safe. But that’s just the reality of the business.
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This is a fair point, but I think it implies, to some degree, that a new AD is a wild card. I would imagine that their perception of and plans for the athletic programs, especially the profitable ones, are discussed during the hiring process. If a potential AD hire were to say “.500 in year two is unacceptable, I’m firing the coach on my first day”, then there are some controls in place to prevent this, like not hiring him. Point is that if there is some semblance of institutional control then there shouldn’t be any huge surprises. With that said, I don’t know how much control the university actually has over the AD now.
 
SHAKA! SHAKA! SHAKA! - LET'S BE POSITIVE. WE'RE STILL ALIVE!
THIS IS THE ONLY NAME FOR ANYONE TO THINK ABOUT!!! GET RID OF LOWF!!

PUT THE ENERGY INTO THE WORLD!!!

SHAKA! SHAKA! SHAKA!
 
RacerDeac said:
As a private institution, Wake's reporting on salaries lags behind that of public universities, and we have no idea what kind of increases, etc could be structured into the contract. In short, we don't know and it's already been discussed ad nauseam.
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A private institution's 1099 is available/public for the previous year and shows a school's highest paid employees. I haven't seen Wake's but have seen other's. I'm assuming this is how - apparently - USAToday found the info for Manning BUT they had no info on any buy-out clause AND/OR how much $$ is guaranteed. The reported compensation - and raise - they reported, seems much more realistic than the $3.0 million per and $18 million guaranteed we discussed here ad nauseam.
 
HONDO2 said:
A private institution's 1099 is available/public for the previous year and shows a school's highest paid employees. I haven't seen Wake's but have seen other's. I'm assuming this is how - apparently - USAToday found the info for Manning BUT they had no info on any buy-out clause AND/OR how much $$ is guaranteed. The reported compensation - and raise - they reported, seems much more realistic than the $3.0 million per and $18 million guaranteed we discussed here ad nauseam.
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Again, what they reported as a raise does not tie to the extension.
 
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