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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

This is true to an extent. This mess and delay story will probably be bigger than the eventual results story. Biden and Sanders shouldn't be too butt hurt, however, because while it may harm short term momentum, they both have national campaigns, and neither had to have IA. I think the 2 most harmed campaigns are Buttigieg's and Klobuchar's - 2 midwesterners whose entire campaigns were predicated on winning IA. Even if 1 of them gets a good to great result, it's not going to help them as much heading into NH, NV and SC.

The Sanders campaign actually doesn't seem to care, but Biden's whole threatening legal action shtick is going to backfire. Dude needs to shut up and focus on, you know, actually work on being electable because Bloomberg is about to bury him and he's getting out-maneuvered by a 37 year old mayor from Indiana.
 
Link? I love how you reject anything that doesn't fit your narrative that all is well and progressives are being hysterical.
If you're paying any attention to this story there is plenty of direct evidence of payments made by the Iowa Democratic party to Shadow for use of the software. Where is your evidence that this is funded by the DNC? Quit engaging in tabloid journalism... Do better man.
 
By the way Bloomberg is all over Rock 92 with radio advertising everyday.
 
So, no acknowledgment of Pete’s move that you thought Bernie would do.

The Sanders numbers aren’t misleading. Each campaign knows who won because they had organizers at each caucus location. Cmon man.

The app that malfunctioned was paid for by the DNC and administered by the IDC, ChrisL. Is this a fact or is it not?

That's significantly different than that trash quote that NED posted yesterday and Ph's conspiracy mongering re: Sanders campaign.


You're falling for what the Politico article said Bernie supporters would do. And then you're claiming Pete did it. "Each campaign" includes Pete's campaign as well. I've been busy most of the morning. Have Pete's people been floating numbers online?

I don't really get this. Every one claims victory after a primary regardless of the results. "We beat expectations and proved the pundits wrong! We're going to New Hampshire to do it again!" is pretty standard for any candidate that places in the top 4. We've even had candidates in the past make claims that the Iowa caucuses were a huge success and then quit the race two days later. These candidates are trying to spin the media narrative, not steal votes and up end democracy.

Everyone... Bernie Bros, Pete Freaks, everyone... just needs to chill.

Exactly. People getting triggered when Pete does regular candidate stuff is getting exhausting.

technology is dumb. there was literally no need to speed up the release of results at all.

cable news + twitter = death of Democracy

Yep.

That’s a fair response, but I think there are a lot of problems with the current winnowing process, which gives too much weight to a small number of states. I haven’t thought it all the way through, but perhaps a first round in February or so where those who get x% or higher move on to a May ranked-choice election would work.

That's close to what I posted about a few weeks ago. As of right now, this would be my ideal timeline using the 2024 cycle as an example.

Second Tuesday in November 2023 - Candidates can declare and start fundraising
Monthly debates - No debate criteria. Multiple debates can be used to make sure no more than 8-10 people are on stage at once.
First Tuesday in March 2024 - Super Tuesday Round 1 National Primary - all candidates with 5% or more advanced to Round 2. If only 2 candidates have over 5%, then advance to Round 3. If only 1 candidate has over 5%, that candidate wins the primary.
First Tuesday in June 2024 - Round 2 National Primary (if necessary) - Top 2 candidates advance. (I'd be open to making this ranked choice with the top 2 advancing as well)
First Tuesday in July 2024 - Final National Primary - Winner wins.
 
But the whole point is that it isn’t primarily about the delegates, but the momentum and perceived strength of the campaign. It’s why every hopeful sinks inordinate resources into the state. The delay and mess totally change the game.

A delay of 24 hours isn't going to stop the winner from claiming victory, the losers from claiming moral victory, or change how the media is going to write about the ultimate results. It's not like the NH primary is tonight.

Lots of unnecessary eye-of-the-storm hand-wringing going on right now.
 
Who benefits more from Twitter... Progressive candidates or establishment candidates?
 
If you're paying any attention to the store either 20 of direct evidence of payments made by the Iowa Democratic party to Shadow for use of the software. Where is your evidence that this is funded by the DNC? Quit engaging in tabloid journalism... Do better man

Christ, you're dense. The application was developed by former Obama/Clinton staffers and it is going to be used by the Nevada Democratic Party as well for their primary later this month.

As per the linked article above:

Troy Price, the chair of the Iowa Democratic Party, told campaigns in a letter obtained by CNN that a "coding issue" with the app was preventing it from transmitting accurate data.
"While the app was recording data accurately, it was reporting out only partial data," Price wrote. "This issue was identified and fixed." Price added that paper backups have successfully validated the data that made it into the app.
The app was built by Shadow Inc., a person familiar with the app told CNN. Shadow's involvement was first reported by HuffPost. On its website, Shadow describes itself as a technology company serving progressive campaigns, and says that its employees previously worked for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's campaigns, as well as the AFL-CIO and the Democratic National Committee. Shadow didn't respond to multiple requests for comment.
A CNN review of IDP's expenditures showed that it had made payments to Shadow, the company that built the app, in 2019, totaling more than $60,000.
Shadow is connected to another group, ACRONYM. Early Tuesday morning, ACRONYM spokesman Kyle Tharp tweeted a statement distancing the group from Shadow.
"ACRONYM is a nonprofit and not a technology company," said Tharp. "As such, we have not provided any technology to the Iowa Democratic Party, Presidential campaigns, or the Democratic National Committee."
Tharp acknowledged ACRONYM's role as one of a number of investors in Shadow. But he added that "we, like everyone else, are eagerly awaiting more information from the Iowa Democratic Party with respect to what happened."
Last January, however, ACRONYM founder Tara McGowan tweeted proudly that ACRONYM was "launching" Shadow.
The IDP pushed heavily to make this year's caucus a high-tech affair. In addition to the app, it initially proposed a new "virtual caucus" system that would see caucusgoers voting by smartphone -- an idea that national party officials quickly shot down over security concerns.
A Democratic official raised doubts on Tuesday about Shadow's expertise in software development, following CNN's confirmation of the company's role in developing the problematic Iowa caucus app.
Shadow's background is primarily in voter-contact technologies such as text messaging, the official said, not app development.
"Our impression was they don't do software development, to be honest," the official said. "It was surprising to see them in all of this, because it seemed like their main work was more like organizing and get out out the vote through technology services. Our impression from some conversations with them was that that was not their area of expertise."
A review of the company's staff on LinkedIn appears to bolster the claim. Of 10 employees who self-identified as working for Shadow, only its chief technology officer, Krista Davis, listed any significant programming experience.
Davis spent eight years at Google as a senior software engineer, according to her profile, working on teams developing Google Hangouts and Google Docs. James Hickey, Shadow's chief operating officer, spent two years as a quality assurance engineer at Apple, according to his LinkedIn profile. The company also has several junior developers and interns who completed their coding certifications only in the last couple of years.
The official predicted that the company's foray into software development could be set back by the Iowa episode as other states reevaluate the company's technology. Nevada Democrats were expected to use the same app in a few weeks.
"I can almost guarantee you, after all of this, I cannot imagine them going forward with Shadow during their caucuses," said the Democratic official.
On paper, Shadow's offices are located in a WeWork co-working space at the end of a hip, industrial-looking alley in Washington. A mural graces the wall at one end of the alley, which also boasts a trendy La Colombe coffee shop. The entire aesthetic befits the cool startup personality that Shadow seeks to convey on its website.
But Shadow is no longer at the temporary work space address listed in Iowa state records from just a couple of months ago.
When CNN visited Shadow's offices Tuesday morning, a receptionist at the WeWork space said the company had moved out of its space roughly a month ago.
It was not immediately clear where the company had relocated, but the receptionist said that Shadow had occupied the WeWork space for some time before vacating the co-working site.
The Texas Democratic Party acknowledged on Tuesday that it had also hired Shadow, but a spokesman for the state party, Abhi Rahman, said the business relationship was limited to Shadow's voter texting service.
"It's very important to note here that we did not use them for any web development or app services," Rahman told CNN.
Rahman said that Shadow was one of a number of different texting vendors that the state party has used for get-out-the-vote efforts in Texas.
According to Federal Election Commission records, the Texas Democratic Party paid Shadow a combined $250 last year in two separate payments — one in May and one in September.

I'll concede the "funded by the DNC claim," but it's clear that the app has been marketed to other states and that the company itself is really shady/hasn't been vetted at all despite being adopted by multiple states. Whether you see the DNC in this is up to you, but this is definitely a case of the establishment in various states doing a solid to a company by staffers from past nominees' campaigns.
 
Have Pete's people been floating numbers online?

Pete declared victory last night despite the fact that all campaigns were tracking the data and knew that this wasn't the case. Did you watch his speech? How do you feel about it? Why didn't other candidates make similar speeches claiming victory if it's so common? Stop deflecting with the Bernie shit please.
 
Lol. You could have just admitted you were wrong without engaging in tabloid journalism to support your incorrect assertion
 
By the way Bloomberg is all over Rock 92 with radio advertising everyday.

The dude runs an ad in every break here in DC, whether on radio or streaming, etc. It's a remarkable media strategy, tbh.
 
Lol. You could have just admitted you were wrong without engaging in tabloid journalism to support your incorrect assertion

CNN is tabloid journalism? Or have you just gone completely post-truth as your portfolio starts to look better and better.
 
CNN is tabloid journalism? Or have you just gone completely post-truth as your portfolio starts to look better and better.
No but your contention that somehow this is the DNC that's running this private company developing this app is and your inferences that there was something nefarious going on certainly is.
 
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No but your contention that somehow this is the DNC that's running this private company developing this app is and your inferences that there was something nefarious going on certainly is.

There are definitely ties between the DNC - however we're understanding their role - and this company that doesn't appear to have any credentials to otherwise explain why their defective app is being considered in four other states. That the company is staffed by former Obama and Clinton people definitely helped them get adopted; doofus and numbers's company wouldn't get a call back.

I don't think I claimed that there is anything nefarious going on beyond incompetence, but feel free to quote the post that you think claims differently. In fact, the only candidate claiming that something nefarious is happening is Joe Biden who is threatening legal action rn.
 
Pete declared victory last night despite the fact that all campaigns were tracking the data and knew that this wasn't the case. Did you watch his speech? How do you feel about it? Why didn't other candidates make similar speeches claiming victory if it's so common? Stop deflecting with the Bernie shit please.

Pete gave a victory speech. I said so at the time. His internal numbers looked good for him. That’s what MSNBC reported and what I’m hearing from Pete supporters on the ground.

Bernie’s people are putting numbers out so they can claim any actual results aside from a Bernie win is rigged.

It’s nuts that you can’t see the difference or think that the second is better or realize you’re falling for it.
 
The DNC is more incompetent than evil geniuses trying to rig the election. The rigging narrative isn’t good for anybody.
 
Pete gave a victory speech. I said so at the time. His internal numbers looked good for him. That’s what MSNBC reported and what I’m hearing from Pete supporters on the ground.

Bernie’s people are putting numbers out so they can claim any actual results aside from a Bernie win is rigged.

It’s nuts that you can’t see the difference or think that the second is better or realize you’re falling for it.

His "internal numbers" are the same data as the data that Sanders put out in his press release. The press release doesn't claim that the process was rigged and clearly states that the data is partial. I don't know who you know in the Buttigieg campaign (supporters? - who? how do we know that they actually know something?) or in the Sanders campaign (people? who? how do we know that they actually know something?), but they're using the exact same data in very different ways. Sanders is saying, uh here's the data and it looks good for us. Buttigieg is saying, we won! fuck yeah!

I'm sticking to what the candidates and campaigns are actually saying and doing with Iowa's fuckup yesterday rather than gauging perceptions from insane, unreliable "supporters" and "people" on Facebook and Twitter.

It's nuts that you can't see the difference or think that what the Buttigieg candidate is better or realize you're falling for it. Sure, it's what everybody does, but doing so before there's even a formal tally is cynical, albeit effective politics. FWIW, Buttigieg claims as much in that clip I posted earlier.
 
My obtuse side? You get hung up on my individual posts while repeating what I have posted a few times on here. I agree with you. Post-Caucus statements are gauche, not conspiracy theories. I'm asking Ph to account for Mayor Pete doing what he pre-emptively suggested Sanders supporters would do. He still hasn't acknowledged it. By all accounts, Pete will finish third and claimed victory in a really cynical ploy for momentum. As a Warren fan, that pisses me off, but you're right, it's just savvy bullshit.

As for the botched unveiling of results. Again, not a conspiracy theory. It is happening before our eyes and the DNC/IDC is directly to blame for it with their incompetence. As Nate Silver pointed out, the effects of this fuck up are going to really transform the nomination process in ways that are a pretty bad look for a putative democracy. You might want to spend more time pushing the posters who are chalking this up to not being a big deal, IMO, rather than continuing tone policing my posts.

I haven't really weighed in the process or the overall fuck-up, I've just asserted that the candidates responses to the fuck-up is nothing unexpected (well, except for Biden threatening to sue). Yet you assert, in response to townie's post, that I am saying the big fuck-up up is no big deal...you are attributing opinions to me that miss my point entirely or worse misrepresent it, and that seems obtuse, to me. Perhaps not though.

I am completely on board that the IDC really fucked this up and I worry a lot more about the longer term effects on the primary than about what the candidates said last night or this morning. People need to trust this system, and even though it was most likely just an IT glitch, the IDC and the DNC have now opened the window for people to sew distrust in the system. Trump will exploit this, Russian bots will exploit this, Jill Stein (or who ever) will exploit this, Tulsi's third party run will exploit this, and who ever the eventual nominee is will be tarnished goods during the general election. Last night the train skipped the tracks and we are possibly watching the first moments of a months long slow-motion train train wreck. Having said that, I also think that hyper-analyzing the candidates post caucus comments adds to that train wreck and in no way helps to mitigate the problems with in the Dem Party.
 
from what I understand, Shadow was founded through money from ACRONYM, which is a Democratic Super-PAC with tons of tech money

Shadow was then selected by the Iowa Democratic Party to develop a reporting app for the caucuses (and a website for the Nevada primary)


no matter how innocent the mistakes are, the involvement of Silicon Valley money in a primary where the establishment, moderate candidates perform poorly, is going to be really hard to skate over
 
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