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ACC Football Coaching Jobs Ranked - 2015 Edition

vadimivich said:
1952 and 1990 National Championships say shut the fuck up with your nonsense.

Hell, GT played in 5 "BCS" bowls in a row at one point in that period ... 3x Sugar, 1x Orange, 1x Cotton in 1951-1955.
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I typo'd. It should be 1967 through 1997.
 
bobknightfan said:
Other than that once-in-a-lifetime, catch lightning in a bottle 3-year run from 2006 thru 2008, Wake Forest has only had 9 winning seasons in the last 59 years....and they only won as many as 8 games in two of those nine years...winning 6 or 7 in the other seven winning seasons.
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#historicalcompetitiveness
 
Not including 2006-2008 I can think of at least six winning seasons since 1987. 87 88 92 00 grobes 1st two years. Groh had a couple of 6-5 years in the early to mid 1980s. 79 1970-1971 were both six and five years. That is 11 winning seasons in the last 45 outside of 2006 to 2008.
 
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Indiana football probably fits the bill, but I am sure BKF is not a fan.
 
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If the premise is that football programs with losing histories can't turn things around, that is loud wrong.

In the 22 year period between 1972 and 1994, Northwestern football was an absolute joke. From 1972 until 1994 (22 seasons), NW never won more than 4 games, won two or less games 14 times. They had a 34 game losing streak - an NCAA D-1 record. During that 22 season string NW, won more than 2 conference games once.

That means heading into the 1994 season, no player on the roster, no recruit was ever alive when NW football was anything other than atrocious. They had been to 1 bowl game in more than 100 years of football.

Since 1995, NW has won or tied for 3 big 10 titles, played in 11 bowl games and had a .500 or better conference record 9 times; they have hosted ESPN Gameday. NW football is relevant. They can and have played in BCS bowl games. In 1994, NW was considered hands down the worst BCS job. Guess they turned their program around, despite a pathetic history.

Between 1995 and 2009 (14 seasons) Baylor football was a joke. No bowls; 13 out of 14 years with 3 or less wins; 11 years with 1 or less conference wins; a streak of zero conference wins from 1998 to 2002. Players that Art Briles recruited to Baylor had only one impression of Baylor football: suck. In 2007, Baylor was considered hands down the worst BCS job.

In the 5 season starting with 2010, Baylor has been to a bowl every year (2 BCS bowls), won 10 or more games 3 times and had a Heisman trophy winner, and were a vote away from playing in the first BCS football tourney.

A similar analysis could be done for Oregon State, TCU, Vandy, Duke or even Stanford (all programs have had extensive runs when they were completely irrelevant, but have had at least some success in recent years).

Any BCS school with the right coach can climb the college football ranks and win conference titles and play in major bowl games. What happened in the 1930s (when Yale had two Heisman trophy winners), the 1940s (when Army and Navy were dominant), the 1950s (Syracuse was the NC in 1959), the 1960s (Purdue finished in the top 10 3 times), the 1970s (Pitt was a power; won a NC), the 1980s (Miami was the dominant program; University of Washington was a top 5 program) has little relevance now.

Any program (Texas, Michigan, Miami) can falter and any program (K State, Oregon, Baylor, Stanford) can rise up if the circumstances are right.

If you want to trash WF football and those busting their arses to raise the program, why not do it on the State or UNC board? Really odd to me, that "fans" of WF try so hard to extinguish any hope of athletic success, and do so while being completely ignorant of the facts.
 
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Pilchard said:
Any BCS school with the right coach can climb the college football ranks and win conference titles and play in major bowl games. What happened in the 1930s (when Yale had two Heisman trophy winners), the 1940s (when Army and Navy were dominant), the 1950s (Syracuse was the NC in 1959), the 1960s (Purdue finished in the top 10 3 times), the 1970s (Pitt was a power; won a NC), the 1980s (Miami was the dominant program; University of Washington was a top 5 program) has little relevance now.

Any program (Texas, Michigan, Miami) can falter and any program (K State, Oregon, Baylor, Stanford) can rise up if the circumstances are right.
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This is a great post, and the section above is worth repeating. What matters most in college sports is the coaching staff. The staff is way more important than any other factor. I've posted this before, but look at UNC basketball with Doherty, K State football with and without Snyder, Butler bball with Brad Stevens (back-to-back national championship games), Alabama football with Mike Shula, Kentucky bball with Gillispie, etc. In college sports, it's all about the coach.
 
It was very hard for Wake to compete in the 60s and 70s. That was the beginning of the specialized era of one way players when big schools were stockpiling players and Wake was playing 3 and 4 home games out of 10 total.

It is still hard to compete but not nearly as hard now. Heck, we have ND and Nebraska coming to Groves Stadium.
 
vadimivich said:
1952 and 1990 National Championships say shut the fuck up with your nonsense.

Hell, GT played in 5 "BCS" bowls in a row at one point in that period ... 3x Sugar, 1x Orange, 1x Cotton in 1951-1955.
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Borderline clemson hubris
 
buckets said:
Borderline clemson hubris
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GT has a lot more successful football history than Clemson, tbf.

That being said, the way college football works now - GT won't ever see the glory days of the 50s again. It's a good job with proud history, but it's not a "great" job.
 
bobknightfan said:
I agree. Kansas State is probably the best (only?) example of a power conference school that has been able to overcome decades of hapless football to rise to a level of consistently competitive football.
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In the 70's, Kansas State and Wake Forest were neck and neck for the worst all time D-1 records. IIRC, we were actually tied for the worst record when the teams met for the first time in 1975. We lost 17-16.

Bill Snyder gets the credit for Kansas State's rise.
 
Bill Snyder is a warlock. What he's done at KSU is utterly remarkable - Wake has a far better situation than KSU does in terms of local talent, access to major metro areas, interesting rivalries, etc. KSU has literally nothing. I have no clue how he managed to build that into a strong program.
 
Kansas has great jucos and Snyder takes advantage of them
 
vadimivich said:
GT has a lot more successful football history than Clemson, tbf.

That being said, the way college football works now - GT won't ever see the glory days of the 50s again. It's a good job with proud history, but it's not a "great" job.
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No one gets excited to beat GT. No one gets that upset when they lose to GT (unless they are one of the "real" football schools) GT may have a proud history but with the exception of the fluke National Championship in 1990, they have been the very definition of mediocre for a very long time.
 
LilburnDeac said:
No one gets excited to beat GT. No one gets that upset when they lose to GT (unless they are one of the "real" football schools) GT may have a proud history but with the exception of the fluke National Championship in 1990, they have been the very definition of mediocre for a very long time.
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Actually, I'd like for Wake to attain that caliber of mediocrity.
 
LilburnDeac said:
No one gets excited to beat GT. No one gets that upset when they lose to GT (unless they are one of the "real" football schools) GT may have a proud history but with the exception of the fluke National Championship in 1990, they have been the very definition of mediocre for a very long time.
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what vad said was extremely on point though.
 
1990 championship was bullshit though. They beat a mediocre Nebraska team in the Citrus Bowl to claim a share of the national championship and tied a 6-4-1 UNC-CH team that lost to every serious opponent they played and didn't go to a bowl game.
 
BiffTannen said:
1990 championship was bullshit though. They beat a mediocre Nebraska team in the Citrus Bowl to claim a share of the national championship and tied a 6-4-1 UNC-CH team that lost to every serious opponent they played and didn't go to a bowl game.
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And Colorado lost to Illinois(!), only beat Missouri thanks to the infamous 5th down(!!) and then won their bowl game when Rocket Ismail had a punt return TD called back on a phantom "clip" with 43 seconds left. If GT's title was "bullshit" then Colorado's half of it is one of the most laughable in the history of the game.

There's no question that the '90-'91 season was one the zaniest ever. Just a bizarro world season, where GT managed to (largely) stay out of the chaos and finish undefeated.
 
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