Maybe the net result of all this is that we go to single stall bathrooms and locker rooms with more private, closed-off spaces for changing.... Then perhaps it won't be as big a deal. I just know that the locker rooms I have used in the past, and use currently, are mostly open spaces with naked dudes walking around, toweling off, changing clothes, etc. It doesn't seem like the ideal place for gender-mixing...
I recognize the difficulty for those people and don't really know what I would "force them to do" - it is a difficult situation. I am mostly just trying to identify the issues on the other side, which many people simply fail to see at all. If either side refuses to see the other side's point of view, there is no understanding and compromise and resolution becomes impossible. And that goes for both sides, of course.
What law currently prevents old men from standing around in the Y and staring at young boys?
READ the law. You can't tell me it's not bigoted against the LGBTQ community. It even bars lawsuits.
You can't tell me it doesn't persecute low paid employees and all employees in its restrictions on pay and lawsuits.
What law currently prevents old men from standing around in the Y and staring at young boys?
No law and if you read all my posts you would have seen where I recognized this fact. If they don't go beyond ogling I don't know how you do much about it.
THERE ARE ALREADY LAWS THAT DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO HARASS AND ASSAULT PEOPLE.
Is there research somewhere that indicates folks who are transgender harass and assault people at a higher rate than cis-gender folks?
OK, maybe you aren't being purposely dense, maybe you are really dense. If the law says a man can be in the ladies locker room and the man is sitting there watching the women change but not attacking anyone, by what right can he be asked to leave? Which law will "address that"?
No law and if you read all my posts you would have seen where I recognized this fact. If they don't go beyond ogling I don't know how you do much about it.
No. Trans people would like to use the bathroom without fear of harassment or having the cops called on them. While many private establishments accomodate them peacefully, its surely very frustrating and demeaning having to play Russian roulette worrying about which bar restaurant club store is going to call the cops on you for taking a piss. Maybe You havent noticed, but there are no "trans people not welcome" signs posted at businesses, its something that people have to find out the hard way.
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So what difference would it make to you if all the naked dudes were walking around and toweling off and a trans man was changing quietly in the corner or in a stall? You probably wouldn't even notice. The point is that the trans man (who probably tries as hard as he possibly can to look like a dude) doesn't feel comfortable looking and feeling like that and changing with women.
Now on the women's side trans men obviously have a more difficult time blending in, but they probably want to use the women's room to escape the violence of the men's room. They dress like women and try as hard as they can to look like women and I'd bet they still use the stall to stop from making others uncomfortable.
As to your hypothetical peeping Tom deviant who you believe would be protected by such a law: why can't we have a kind of heartfelt belief standard or whatever standard there is for religious beliefs?
If y'all actually knew any trans people your opinion would be very, very different. Same thing went for black people and then gay people too. Once you knew some you realized they were humans too.
Again, what violence? Again, please point to the CMPD assault stats utilized in support of the "need" for the CLT Ordinance. And again, I can give you the number if you can't find it. I'll give you a hint though, it rhymes with "queero".
And I love how anyone who thinks a dude posing as a woman going into the woman's room to oogle girls is ridiculous and unrealistic, but the concept of every men's room as an unrestrained, free for all, Roadhouse brawl where any trans person is likely to be beaten to an inch of their life is accepted as fact.
Well HB2 made it so men who dress like women actually had to go into men's rooms.
Look, it's clear we disagree.
You don't think there was a need to codify what the Charlotte board did. You also seem to think that the retaliation from the state was justified (despite the state losing hundreds of millions of dollars as a result). Others clearly disagree with that.
It is what it is. This thread has gone on and on with the same people saying the same thing for months. Probably just time to let it be.
Dude, you drunk? Hacked? Seen the light?