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Keys to Victory: APP STATE

Lohengrin said:
Not sure Freudenthal is/was a walk-on. Walk-ons don't redshirt to my knowledge and Freudenthal did. Nor does media guide indicate walk-on when it usu. does.
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He was a preferred walk-on. Just like James Sriraman
 
No resson not to redshirt walkons if they dont play as frosh. They dont use scholarship space. They may well contribute more as 5th yr. Srs. I don't see any downside to doing it.
 
There's not, to my understanding. It was just my impression that previously they didn't classify walk-ons as "redshirt x's". I could be wrong this is all just my now hazy memory from the last times I recall looking up walk-ons in the media guide. If so, maybe because when paying your own way walk-ons weren't as inclined to stay 5yrs to play 4.
 
I think it's better stated that they get five years in the program if they can play.
 
BTW, doubt this is a revelation to anyone but in pregame w/u's, Weaver was nailing 52 and 55 yard FG's ( no wind )....with ease.

Yet his game KO's, save for 1, all were fielded between the 5 and goal line....go figure.
 
HONDO2 said:
BTW, doubt this is a revelation to anyone but in pregame w/u's, Weaver was nailing 52 and 55 yard FG's ( no wind )....with ease.

Yet his game KO's, save for 1, all were fielded between the 5 and goal line....go figure.
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Do you think he was trying to kick touchbacks or trying to kick between the 5 and GL taking the chance we would tackle the return guy inside the 25?
 
Didn't Maggio handle at least one kickoff?

liveanddie, Wake should never do that. Just take the 25. If Weaver was trying to do it, he would have popped it up more. He didn't.
 
PhDeac said:
Didn't Maggio handle at least one kickoff?

liveanddie, Wake should never do that. Just take the 25. If Weaver was trying to do it, he would have popped it up more. He didn't.
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Yeah, I agree with that. We don't cover well enough.

What's the deal with Adam Centers? Wasn't he supposed to have the big leg for kick offs? I know he was hurt last year, but I don't even think he's the backup right now.

Edit: I guess he's gone, not listed on the roster. The first radio show this year, Centers was mentioned in a question and they didn't say he wasn't on the team any more?
 
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We actually cover very well so far this year. I think it's a strategy that we are kicking between the goal and five-yard line and it's worked well thus far.

Something to keep an eye on.

We are allowing 21.38 yards per return on kickoffs this year. That places us short of the 25 yard line thus far. As we play against better competition it may not be as good of a strategy, but last year we had touchbacks on 50% of our kickoffs and this year we have a touchback on 1/13. I definitely think it's a strategy, as it's highly doubtful that Weaver just lost leg strength from last year to this year.
 
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Deacsfan27 said:
We actually cover very well so far this year. I think it's a strategy that we are kicking between the goal and five-yard line and it's worked well thus far.

Something to keep an eye on.
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This strategy isn't working then. Here is the BC drive chart.

BC
1st B28 15:00 Kickoff
B37 13:26 Punt 3-9 1:34
BC 1st B36 11:08 Punt W42 08:27 Punt 7-22 2:41
BC 1st W49 06:25 Punt W48 05:33 Punt 3-1 0:52
BC 1st B18 03:23 Punt B26 02:45 Fumble 2-8 0:38
BC
1st
B35 01:28 Kickoff
B33 00:19 Interception 3--2 1:09
BC 2nd B11 14:15 Punt B27 13:16 Punt 4-16 0:59
BC
2nd
B26 10:20 Kickoff
B47 07:54 Punt 7-21 2:26
BC 2nd B43 06:40 Punt W00 03:13 * TOUCHDOWN 8-57 3:27 #
BC 2nd B17 02:05 Punt B23 01:36 Interception 2-6 0:29
BC
2nd
B22 01:36 Kickoff
B43 00:14 Punt 9-21 1:22
BC 3rd B36 12:32 Punt W13 10:03 * FIELD GOAL 7-51 2:29 #
BC
3rd
B22 06:15 Kickoff B30 05:09 Interception 3-8 1:06
BC
3rd W45 04:23 Kickoff
W30 02:21 Downs 5-15 2:02
BC 3rd B28 00:47 Punt B34 14:46 Punt 3-6 1:01
BC
4th B23 07:00 Kickoff W35 04:03 Downs 11-42 2:57
BC 4th B18 01:35 Punt W43 00:00 End of half 6-39 1:35

We only stopped them behind the 25 3 times out of 7 kickoffs and those were on the 22 and 23. We allowed one big return.
 
We haven't allowed a kick return touchdown since 11.9.13 (Florida State). Impressive streak.
 
PhDeac said:
This strategy isn't working then. Here is the BC drive chart.

We only stopped them behind the 25 3 times out of 7 kickoffs and those were on the 22 and 23. We allowed one big return.
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That would be an interesting question to ask Clawson.

I am guessing that it may be done to get our special teams some practice covering downfield in games. If you are only getting touchbacks on 50% of your kicks (from last year's sample size), then you might as well get some additional practice early in the season.

It also could have been weather related. The wind was swirling a bit in the stadium in Boston, and it was raining against Presbyterian. Would be interesting to hear Clawson's thoughts on that.
 
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I think teams have caught on to this strategy, and are focusing more on kickoff return blocking. tOSU has been doing it for around 3 years now, and it used to be super effective, downing teams inside the 20 almost every time. Now, I think it's starting to backfire, even for them.
 
What year did FSU absolutely destroy us in the field position game with coffin corner kick-offs?
 
HailToTheDeacons said:
What year did FSU absolutely destroy us in the field position game with coffin corner kick-offs?
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Pretty much every year, but I think 2012 is the year you are thinking of. We returned 7 kickoffs for a total of 102 yards (14.5 yards per return). Even if we caught all of them at the 5 then we averaged starting behind the 20 yard line.
 
HailToTheDeacons said:
What year did FSU absolutely destroy us in the field position game with coffin corner kick-offs?
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3 years ago

WF 1st W31 15:00 Kickoff F48 10:34 Punt 8-21 4:26
WF 1st F34 08:58 Interception F27 06:19 Fumble 6-7 2:39
WF 1st F41 04:44 Fumble F18 01:20 *FIELD GOAL 7-23 3:24
WF 2nd W21 11:41 Kickoff W15 09:25 Punt 4--6 2:16
WF 2nd W20 06:45 Punt W21 03:39 Punt 5-1 3:06
WF 2nd W13 00:58 Kickoff W12 00:32 Punt 3--1 0:26
WF 2nd W31 00:00 Kickoff W31 00:00 End of half 0-0 0:00
WF 3rd W25 12:08 Kickoff W25 11:13 Punt 3-0 0:55
WF 3rd W20 07:28 Punt W15 05:43 Interception 3--5 1:45
WF 3rd W35 05:10 Kickoff W31 04:55 Fumble 2--4 0:15
WF 3rd W25 04:55 Kickoff F46 00:26 Punt 8-29 4:29
WF 4th W09 13:16 Kickoff W28 11:03 Punt 5-19 2:13
WF 4th W13 09:06 Kickoff W38 06:49 Punt 4-25 2:17
WF 4th W25 04:53 Kickoff W41 01:50 Punt 4-16 3:
 
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