Always get it in writing.
Notarized? or no?
And scary.
But then you need a fourth. And then a fifth. And pretty soon your simple bathroom HJ turns into a full blown clown orgy.And then you can loop them in for a threesome
Why? You scared a woman won't admit to consensual sex with you?
And scary.
Well the scary part was that once she takes 1 drink, it's not consensual.
So...yes lol
So I missed the unresponsive part... So more interested in the case, which is highly frequent, where both parties are similarly drunk. No, I don't think it is reasonable to place all of the burden on the man. I am sure it's a pretty rare case where a woman claims rape on this scenario, but my understanding is that in that case the man would be held responsible for rape. Or even in a case where the man was drunk and the woman was just 'buzzed'. It does not make sense to me that the man is held responsible for the decision when the woman is not. This assumes verbal consent, which presumably didn't happen in this case (although it could have).
Fwiw, I am gay so this discussion does not directly affect me. Well, it does just not directly.
I'm fine with a legal system that lets men bear the risk of initiating sex with a drunk girl. If you are that worried about a drunk girl claiming rape the next day then you probably shouldn't have sex with her in the first place.
So I missed the unresponsive part... So more interested in the case, which is highly frequent, where both parties are similarly drunk. No, I don't think it is reasonable to place all of the burden on the man. I am sure it's a pretty rare case where a woman claims rape on this scenario, but my understanding is that in that case the man would be held responsible for rape. Or even in a case where the man was drunk and the woman was just 'buzzed'. It does not make sense to me that the man is held responsible for the decision when the woman is not. This assumes verbal consent, which presumably didn't happen in this case (although it could have).
Fwiw, I am gay so this discussion does not directly affect me. Well, it does just not directly.
Why?
I certainly think drunk men and women can consent to sex (up to a point), but I think the "drunk woman clearly consents to sex, regrets it the next morning and claims rape" situation is incredibly rare.
I'm fine with a legal system that lets men bear the risk of initiating sex with a drunk girl. If you are that worried about a drunk girl claiming rape the next day then you probably shouldn't have sex with her in the first place.
Exactly my point.
I am sure I will get slammed for this... but why is it the drunk male's fault only? Because he has a penis?
It's really hard to discuss stuff like this without sounding like a fucking asshole.
This guy (Stanford story posted above) was clearly in the wrong and should have been and has been punished.
But when two people are equally intoxicated (to be clear, NOT to the extent of the girl in this case), why is one to blame more than the other. Again....I'm talking extremely less severe cases than this.
But it does seem odd for one person to be a victim of their intoxication and the other be a criminal of it. If a girl drinks and is thus considered unable to make decisions effectively, couldn't the same be said about a guy that drinks and makes questionable decisions?
I fully expect to be lambasted for even bringing something like this up, and it has nothing to do with this case...the guy in this story did things to someone who was most definitely 100% a victim. I'm just curious about the subject when it's a less extreme situation where both parties are equally intoxicated, and of course where violence is not involved.
There probably aren't many here who haven't had sex while drunk. If your partner was also drinking or drunk, were those all just unreported assaults?
You're arguing against a straw man. Show me the case where two people were equally intoxicated but only one got convicted
Also I think that you think the law of rape is a lot more favorable to women than it actually is. In most states, it's the opposite
I wasn't saying that happens a lot, but it seems like it could. Like I said before, some issues just cause internal conflict and I like to hear the discourse.
You are correct in that I thankfully have never had to know much about the laws of rape...or had to worry about consent.
Ok guys...clearly the intent of my post was over your head.
It was slightly tongue-in-cheek (as much as you can be on this topic) about consent not being available after ONE DRINK. When I initially read it, it read as the first sip, not one whole drink...but the point remains the same. Very, very, very few women would be drunk enough after ONE DRINK that sleeping with them would be non-consensual. (Again, at the time of the post I had just read it as one sip of a beer, not an entire Long Island Iced Tea, which even then I don't agree would put someone out of the range of consent)
I was not literally saying that the only way I have sex is by getting women drunk enough. But I WOULD say that a fair number of my encounters have been had after at least a single drink for both parties.
Now move on.