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Tell me about European football clubs

BobStackFan4Life said:
And why do you draw a distinction between it being applicable to pro and not college. College sports are big business now and about the $. Look at what CBS paid for the NCAA Tournament.
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Because college athletes aren't paid. They're not traded. They're not transferred. Teams aren't "owned."
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
And why do you draw a distinction between it being applicable to pro and not college. College sports are big business now and about the $. Look at what CBS paid for the NCAA Tournament.
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If they're the same, can our BOT make an offer to purchase a few players off UK's hoops roster?
 
siff said:
If they're the same, can our BOT make an offer to purchase a few players off UK's hoops roster?
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DING.

siff beat me to the punch while I was finding that great Harry/Droopy pick. 'Arry is the worst.
 
Think about minor league baseball. No one lives and dies with their AA baseball team because ultimately the games don't matter. They may win the Eastern League or whatever but they have no prayer of getting to the highest level. In a pro-rel system that possibility is there. Long term, the fans of Leyton Orient or whomever have hope of seeing their team in Old Trafford, but Altoona fans will never see the Curve play in Fenway.
This of course ignores the player development angle of MiLB but somewhat hits it from a local neighborhood fan angle, and baseball is really the closest thing we have to a multi-tiered sport system we have here.
 
siff said:
If they're the same, can our BOT make an offer to purchase a few players off UK's hoops roster?
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Sure, you can point to differences between Wake football and an EPL team but the key reason y'all seem to support relegation, that it's a good thing deserving teams get to play in the big time and shitty teams don't, I don't see how you can reasonably say you support it in once instance and not the other.

"If a team has a shitty year there should be a consequence."

"Relegation is needed in American sports. Reward teams that beat their competition and give them a chance to prove themselves at a higher level, what's not to love?"
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Sure, you can point to differences between Wake football and an EPL team but the key reason y'all seem to support relegation, that it's a good thing deserving teams get to play in the big time and shitty teams don't, I don't see how you can reasonably say you support it in once instance and not the other.

"If a team has a shitty year there should be a consequence."

"Relegation is needed in American sports. Reward teams that beat their competition and give them a chance to prove themselves at a higher level, what's not to love?"
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Dude. You can't "buy/trade" for players in college sports. It is a completely different playing field.

You can't acknowledge that difference and then turn around and pretend like that massive difference isn't there in your next sentence!
 
Relegation and the idea that players are loaned out to other teams, this is all a bit much to take in. I like the draft. siff and dv7 are both fans of teams with the most money who can buy the best players and never have to worry about relegation.
 
deacvision7 said:
Dude. You can't "buy/trade" for players in college sports. It is a completely different playing field.

You can't acknowledge that difference and then turn around and pretend like that massive difference isn't there in your next sentence!
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Can Hull buy the same players that the top teams consistently get? Is there not a difference in the payroll of Manchester United and Hull? What about that massive difference?
 
Relegation is awesome, and I don't have a club to support. I'm with you on the lack of salary cap, but dv7 will point out that there's no way to fix that, which is very true, since it would have to be a simultaneous world wide (European wide) system that every club abided by. No chance of it ever happening.
 
It sounds like the teams that get relegated are pretty much guaranteed to be let back in thanks to the parachute payments, they have so much more money to spend than the other teams once they get relegated. "Though designed to help teams adjust to the loss of television revenues (the average Premier League team receives £55 million[88] while the average Football League Championship club receives £2 million[89]), critics maintain that the payments actually widen the gap between teams that have reached the Premier League and those that have not,[90] leading to the common occurrence of teams "bouncing back" soon after their relegation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League#.22Big_Four.22_dominance_.282003.E2.80.9304_to_2008.E2.80.9309.29
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Relegation and the idea that players are loaned out to other teams, this is all a bit much to take in. I like the draft. siff and dv7 are both fans of teams with the most money who can buy the best players and never have to worry about relegation.
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siff isn't a fan of any club. You're now talking out of your ass because you are ignorant to the topic.
 
Screamindemon3 said:
Relegation is awesome, and I don't have a club to support. I'm with you on the lack of salary cap, but dv7 will point out that there's no way to fix that, which is very true, since it would have to be a simultaneous world wide (European wide) system that every club abided by. No chance of it ever happening.
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The seeming lack of parity sucks though.
A major criticism of the Premier League in the mid-2000s was the emergence of the so-called "Big Four" clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United.[79][80] With the exception of Blackburn Rovers in 1994–95 and Manchester City in 2011–12, only three clubs have won the Premier League title – Manchester United (13 titles), Arsenal and Chelsea (three titles each). Since the summer of 2002, they dominated the top four spots, thus places in the UEFA Champions League, winning all but one of the top four places between 2003–04 and 2008–09.
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BobStackFan4Life said:
It sounds like the teams that get relegated are pretty much guaranteed to be let back in thanks to the parachute payments, they have so much more money to spend than the other teams once they get relegated. "Though designed to help teams adjust to the loss of television revenues (the average Premier League team receives £55 million[88] while the average Football League Championship club receives £2 million[89]), critics maintain that the payments actually widen the gap between teams that have reached the Premier League and those that have not,[90] leading to the common occurrence of teams "bouncing back" soon after their relegation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premi...ance_.282003.E2.80.9304_to_2008.E2.80.9309.29
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Oh good! You know how to do research on the internet. This is most good news.

Now, here's a task. Look up the percentage of clubs that bounce right back up the next season to the Premiership after getting relegated to the Championship. Without looking it up myself, I'll guess it is under 33%, which would be 1 in 3 of the teams relegated the season before.
 
deacvision7 said:
siff isn't a fan of any club. You're now talking out of your ass because you are ignorant to the topic.
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I thought he posted the Arsenal pic. Anyway, yeah, I am basically ignorant when it comes to the subject, I just chose a team to root for tonight. Brilliant deduction on your part.
 
"Parity" is a funny word that is thrown around by Americans that usually hate the idea of Socialism.


I'm ignorant to if BSF4L is anti-Socialist ideals or not, however.
 
deacvision7 said:
"Parity" is a funny word that is thrown around by Americans that usually hate the idea of Socialism.


I'm ignorant to if BSF4L is anti-Socialist ideals or not, however.
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I like the NFL, where pretty much any team can beat anybody else and make it to the top. Parity's good for the league and fans. I don't like the idea of the same teams being at or near the top year after year because they can outspend everyone else.
 
Somehow the football leagues around the world have survived without "parity". Amazing. Maybe, just maybe, Americans don't know as much as they wish they did? Maybe there are multiple ways to run successful sports leagues?

At least we will always be "WORLD CHAMPIONS!" in the sports we invented. USA! USA! USA! USA!
 
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