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Pro Life / Pro Choice Debate

2&2 is exhibit a on the limits of “pro-choice” liberal ideology.
 
I think LL said it perfectly. People have just become totally bat shit crazy.
 
Banning birth control???

So woman have to have a baby if they are raped and become pregnant. But they cannot do anything to prevent it from happening? Like taking birth control?

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seems like we'd run out of porn stars if we banned birth control
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Dude, I've repeatedly said I'm pro choice. I just arrive at it from a different angle than you.

This is why Dems keep getting their teeth kicked in on every major issue, because you can't even let people in the middle agree with your conclusion unless their overall mindset matches your degree of liberal fanaticism. Republicans will try to take anyone who shares one common nugget of belief and and turn them into a full-party voter (the party of acceptance); Dems try to run off people who agree with their platforms if they just aren't all-around woke enough (the party of look at meeeeeeee). Hence how Pubs have rekindled and are winning something that was mostly decided decades ago that might otherwise just need some updated fine-tuning due to advancements in #science. Pubs will look to see if a person disagrees with any remote scenario of abortion and turn them into an anti-abortion voter; Dems find someone who is pro choice and tells him to fuck off for judging. It really is comical.
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You are engaging in some mind-blowing generalizations here and in your earlier comment. You are absolutely correct that the "typical" Dem voter (to the extent there is such a thing, so really not) is pro-choice as opposed to pro-abortion. Yes there's a difference, and that's fine. But you want to lump all Democrats together and make them the loudmouth party of "woke." In the meantime, I can point to just as many Republicans who are equally fanatical about abortion, gay rights, transgender individuals, etc. and equally unwilling to engage with anyone who doesn't share their idealistic views. This happens on both sides of every issue, but your claim that the Dems overlook that 80% of the bell curve while Republicans embrace it is just weird. I think you need to step away from the media for a while and actually engage with voters if you want to understand where most people are.

I am more outspoken on this issue than say, trade protectionism, because this directly affects me. I'm well inside the curve on many other topics. But I don't think you can look at this and say that in general Dems are generally losing the culture wars because they're insisting on pure wokeness. It has far more to do with local and state gerrymandering and the (absolutely well-run) GOP long game that's been running since the '80s.
 
Tobacco Road said:
While I have no sympathy for Kavanaugh, protesting at someone’s home seems inappropriate to me.
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I have mixed feelings about protesting at their homes. But if the SCOTUS marshals are going to put up the big fence, then I get why individuals want to exercise their Constitutional right to peaceably assemble somewhere where they know they'll be seen.
 
NYT Pitchbot is branching out.

 
BarcaDeac said:
SCOTUS justices don't have office hours, town halls, forums, or even really social media accounts for you to interact with them. they answer to no one but they shouldn't get to act like they're above hearing from the American people with the amount of power they have.
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has anyone checked on Kavanaugh to make sure he's okay
 
I think more likely than a ban is that the government wouldn't be able to enforce compliance from those with moral or religious objections
 
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