Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
Show me how it has actually worked in the US.
We should never try anything new.
I never said we shouldn't try new things. I even gave a path to moving towards Medicare for all earlier on this thread.
Other countries are totally irrelevant.
Are they? Political movements exist in isolation within their own borders?
The US has a system that is different from other countries. We aren't a parliamentary system.
Growing socialists and separating from Dems guarantees Republicans control Congress, the WH and more importantly the courts. You can whine all you want, but this is the reality. Even if you take as little as 10% from the Dems, you will turn this country radically to the right.
"you can whine all you want." fuck off. Republicans already have control of congress, WH and courts.
Splitting Dems as you want to do will make this permanent.
But you want it your way or you'll take your ball and go home.
cliche.
Your posts have been saying this. You want everything and you want it now. Those want to get to most of items are part of the problem to you not allies.
Hell, radical leftists who voted for Nader gave us W, the Iraq War, Alito, Gorsuch, Roberts and, most likely, Kavanaugh. But they were pure...
We can argue this until we are blue in the face. To my knowledge, you have no empirical evidence to support this.
It's irrational to think Nader voters would have voted for Bush. He opposed almost everything they stood for. As to whether Gore would have created the Iraq War (Assuming 9/11 would have happened), he was on the record opposing the war from almost the first day it was being discussed and when that position was extraordinarily unpopular. To think, he would have acted as POTUS is ludicrous and opposite of his real actions.
If you think that it's 10000% reality that Gore would have never nominated the uber-conservative Alito or Roberts, then you are being either intentionally obtuse or intellectually dishonest.
Show me how it has actually worked in the US.
We should never try anything new.
I never said we shouldn't try new things. I even gave a path to moving towards Medicare for all earlier on this thread.
Other countries are totally irrelevant.
Are they? Political movements exist in isolation within their own borders?
The US has a system that is different from other countries. We aren't a parliamentary system.
Growing socialists and separating from Dems guarantees Republicans control Congress, the WH and more importantly the courts. You can whine all you want, but this is the reality. Even if you take as little as 10% from the Dems, you will turn this country radically to the right.
"you can whine all you want." fuck off. Republicans already have control of congress, WH and courts.
Splitting Dems as you want to do will make this permanent.
But you want it your way or you'll take your ball and go home.
cliche.
Your posts have been saying this. You want everything and you want it now. Those want to get to most of items are part of the problem to you not allies.
Hell, radical leftists who voted for Nader gave us W, the Iraq War, Alito, Gorsuch, Roberts and, most likely, Kavanaugh. But they were pure...
We can argue this until we are blue in the face. To my knowledge, you have no empirical evidence to support this.
It's irrational to think Nader voters would have voted for Bush. He opposed almost everything they stood for. As to whether Gore would have created the Iraq War (Assuming 9/11 would have happened), he was on the record opposing the war from almost the first day it was being discussed and when that position was extraordinarily unpopular. To think, he would have acted as POTUS is ludicrous and opposite of his real actions.
If you think that it's 10000% reality that Gore would have never nominated the uber-conservative Alito or Roberts, then you are being either intentionally obtuse or intellectually dishonest.
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