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Climate Change & Natural Disasters Thread

BiffTannen said:
1.5 billion of the world's 8 billion people live in China which produces 30% of all global CO2 emissions, while EU emissions are declining. I'm sure you want to blame American consumerism or colonialism or something, but it's a global problem and China is a global player. BTW, the US is #2 and India is #3.
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Do you think climate change started in the last few years?

Also try those co2 output numbers on a per capita basis. My point still stands.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
That was a well balanced post with informative sources and needless snark. I actually wrote a paper on The Population Bomb for a science class, its very good book and scary as hell, and it’s gotten a ton of liberal pushback. I don’t disagree with any of the sources you posted. You seem to have misunderstood my anecdotal point about “capitalist eugenics” - which is that most western references to “overpopulation” are criticisms directed specifically at impoverished third world countries, or poorer uneducated populaces.
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Yeah. “Stupid poors are taking up too much money and resources.”
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
A pump with a screen on the pipe? I've used lake water to water my lawn for 15+ years. It's water. Unless you are right at the end in the salty part, the grass is not looking for Fiji water.
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My musing was more how does one get rights to pump water from a public river? I wonder if owning abutting land gives rights to the water? And yeah, I fully understand golf courses do fine with river water.
 
BacktoBack said:
My musing was more how does one get rights to pump water from a public river? I wonder if owning abutting land gives rights to the water? And yeah, I fully understand golf courses do fine with river water.
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Yes, if you own land adjoining a lake or river in NC you have riparian rights that extend the length of the shoreline and out a certain distance over the water (usually 50 or 100 feet depending on the body of water), and include the right to pump the water from that area. Not really much different than using a well to pump the water that runs under your land. For residential and basic business purposes you don't have to get a pump permit unless you pull over like 100,000 gallons a day or something crazy like that. I think farms/agriculture can pump up to 1,000,000 gallons a day without a permit. I don't know which a golf course would fall into, but either way they can take a lot of water without a permit. Obviously in drought conditions like we had maybe 10 years ago the municipality will cap those pump limits much lower and people generally comply. But there are not many water supply problems in NC. Usually it is the opposite where Duke has to move water through the system faster than usual, which results in the floods like what we had 3 or 4 years ago.
 
Environmentalists had no plan to handle the pollution of media.
 
PhDeac said:
Environmentalists had no plan to handle the pollution of media.
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I don’t understand how fear motivates people to vote on some issues and is supposedly a deterrent in others. The GOP and conservatives have been wildly successful motivating the base on the southern border invasion and/or a socialist take over of America, which are fake made up issues, but the very real and scary issue of climate change gains no traction. Environmentalist are told not to be doom and gloom and find positive stories or solution based stories to tell, and meanwhile fear drives almost all media stories on a wide variety of issues.
 
It simply comes down to preferring the narrative where they get to keep what that have and not have to share that opportunity with others, in some cases including their descendants.
 
Tobacco Road said:
It simply comes down to preferring the narrative where they get to keep what that have and not have to share that opportunity with others, in some cases including their descendants.
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That’s definitely part of it. It’s also because we treat climate as constant and weather as something to adjust to on a daily basis. It’s hard to get to think of the air and temperature as a problem to be solved. But it’s easy to view immigrants as an enemy.
 
I'm surprised that environmentalists don't use the improvements in air quality we saw early during the Covid shutdown. The improvement around the globe was a stark and easily seen. What it could be vs. what it is to remind people they have a choice to make in our planets future.
 
 
BlackjackMc said:
I'm surprised that environmentalists don't use the improvements in air quality we saw early during the Covid shutdown. The improvement around the globe was a stark and easily seen. What it could be vs. what it is to remind people they have a choice to make in our planets future.
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Talk that up in mainstream media and the immediate response would be “The radical environmentalists want to keep you locked in your homes to save the planet! They don’t want to flatten the curve! They want to flatten your freedom!”
 
PhDeac said:
Talk that up in mainstream media and the immediate response would be “The radical environmentalists want to keep you locked in your homes to save the planet! They don’t want to flatten the curve! They want to flatten your freedom!”
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Right, they’ll use fear to raise anger against people trying to save society. Don’t look up!
 
So they'll remove all of it in three years. Great !
 
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15611

Plastics in the marine environment have become a major concern because of their persistence at sea, and adverse consequences to marine life and potentially human health. Implementing mitigation strategies requires an understanding and quantification of marine plastic sources, taking spatial and temporal variability into account. Here we present a global model of plastic inputs from rivers into oceans based on waste management, population density and hydrological information. Our model is calibrated against measurements available in the literature. We estimate that between 1.15 and 2.41 million tonnes of plastic waste currently enters the ocean every year from rivers, with over 74% of emissions occurring between May and October. The top 20 polluting rivers, mostly located in Asia, account for 67% of the global total. The findings of this study provide baseline data for ocean plastic mass balance exercises, and assist in prioritizing future plastic debris monitoring and mitigation strategies.
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thatguy2016 said:
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I've actually seen speculation that this is a publicity stunt for Maersk. Some ocean experts assert that the plastic in the video is way too clean, i.e., lacks algal growth, seaweed, barnacles, etc., to have been pulled from a trawl in the middle of the ocean. That said, I guess it is still a good thing to bring attention to.
 
birdman said:
I don’t understand how fear motivates people to vote on some issues and is supposedly a deterrent in others. The GOP and conservatives have been wildly successful motivating the base on the southern border invasion and/or a socialist take over of America, which are fake made up issues, but the very real and scary issue of climate change gains no traction. Environmentalist are told not to be doom and gloom and find positive stories or solution based stories to tell, and meanwhile fear drives almost all media stories on a wide variety of issues.
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Well they have a whole media ecosystem and huge amounts of $$$$ behind the effort. And not just from the usual billionaire ghouls, there are tons of companies whose profits depend on maintaining the status quo.

 
BiffTannen said:
1.5 billion of the world's 8 billion people live in China which produces 30% of all global CO2 emissions, while EU emissions are declining. I'm sure you want to blame American consumerism or colonialism or something, but it's a global problem and China is a global player. BTW, the US is #2 and India is #3.
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Just some points here, I know they aren't all in response to statements you made so nobody FREAK OUT

1) We're still #1 in historical emissions
2) Yes, China's emissions are a huge problem
3) Who do you think consumes the majority of exported products from the factories that use the electricity/resources that emit greenhouse gases?
4) Just because China emits a lot doesn't give others an excuse not to act and bend the market
 
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