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Wake/BC Game Thread

ProfessorDeac said:
Appreciated Moto's little midrange pullup today once or twice. Didn't look half bad. And he looks like he's learning how to use his athleticism more effectively. Hopefully that continues (and he gets even more athletic). Enjoying watching him develop.

Devin, what more can you say. What a great player. Just wait till he starts dunking those bunnies.

Travis, with all his mental lapses, was hitting his flat 3s today. Does he just choose not to have any arc?
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Guy drives me friggin crazy.
 
Buttermaker said:
I have been asking this question as well, but after watching at the Joel, I somewhat get it. Tree is limited offensively (no shot) and does commit some bonehead plays from time to time. He brings energy, length and defense. I would probably play him more than Bz, but he is getting quality play from Thomas, Moto, and (sometimes) McKie.

The guy I don't get is Chase. I was shocked when Bz put him back in when Jones fouled out. He brings absolutely nothing to the table IMO.
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That's a little harsh. Chase is a decent ball handler, a good free throw shooter, and he's still shooting 48% from 3 on the year. He's clearly limited, but Rountree is still very risk/reward. He snags 4 steals in his 7 minutes, including the one at the end of the game which was huge. But he also took that terrible jumper in transition when we had numbers and his man beat him for what could have been the game-winning layup except Devin rotated and rejected him.

For a team that struggles to make field goals for stretches at a time, having a guy on the floor that can really shoot it is a benefit.

That being said, I'd like to see their minutes flipped at this point. Give Tree 15 a game and chase 8...
 
Agree wholeheartedly, DC. When Chase gets hot, he really helps us, but he was not hot yesterday. The airball 3 was pretty bad. I can't imagine another 3 pt specialist missing everything.
 
Bz tried to go offense/defense with Chase and Rountree, which I thought was a good plan. The way things worked out, Aaron wound up out there on a couple offensive possessions too, in particular because he got at least one big steal.
 
88Deac said:
Agree wholeheartedly, DC. When Chase gets hot, he really helps us, but he was not hot yesterday. The airball 3 was pretty bad. I can't imagine another 3 pt specialist missing everything.
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Joey Ammo called
 
RacerDeac said:
You're delusional if you believe Wake is playing better ball than Dino's teams. You just don't remember what good ball is after enduring the last few years. We still suck, mightily. We just barely beat an atrocious BC team at home.

The fact I'm still here in year 3 blows your fairweather argument out of the water. Hilarious to see the Bz apologists gain a little confidence over the past couple of games...but it's going to make our epic losses that much harder to bear.
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it is not Bzz apologists gaining confidence - it is the reality that this team is improving. BC is an improved team - they could have beaten State and beat a VT team on the road that beat Ga Tech on the road yesterday. Bz got a rash of shit during the disasterous losses and he deserves credit for the teams improvement since the Nebraska game. wanting Wake to lose with the hopes of the coach getting fired is amazingly ludacris but typical of a subset of Wake fans.

regarding Dino - i remember Cleveland State - NBC Today show special reports about alleged sexual assaults, suspensions for various reasons, lack of team chemistry, and a otherwise complete lack of control of his program. Anyone who disputes this truly has no idea what was really going on behind the scenes.
 
We're playing like a mid level team in a shitty conference, nothing to write home about but certainly an improvement over the last 2 seasons. I would still rather get disappointed by a great team then mildly satisfied by a bad one.
 
DCDeac said:
That's a little harsh. Chase is a decent ball handler, a good free throw shooter, and he's still shooting 48% from 3 on the year. He's clearly limited, but Rountree is still very risk/reward. He snags 4 steals in his 7 minutes, including the one at the end of the game which was huge. But he also took that terrible jumper in transition when we had numbers and his man beat him for what could have been the game-winning layup except Devin rotated and rejected him.

For a team that struggles to make field goals for stretches at a time, having a guy on the floor that can really shoot it is a benefit.

That being said, I'd like to see their minutes flipped at this point. Give Tree 15 a game and chase 8...
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Fair enough. He hits almost 50% of wide open threes, apparently, which does add value. He never seems to make them when I'm watching, and he is a liability in other aspects.
 
bobknightfan said:
Not me. To me, few things are more annoying than wasted talent. Your true opponent is your potential. That is what you are playing against.
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Meeting low expectations is next to worthless. Mario Andretti's never going to win the Indy 500 in a Taurus, no matter how well he shifts gears.
 
Buttermaker said:
Fair enough. He hits almost 50% of wide open threes, apparently, which does add value. He never seems to make them when I'm watching, and he is a liability in other aspects.
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Agreed. Initially I was shocked when he came in as well, but [Redacted] immediately put Tree in on defense and stuck with him so that at least made some sense. Tree still struggling with shot selection and shoots free throws at the same percentage Chase shoots 3 pointers...

Plus [Redacted] mentioned UVA's 3 point shooting percentage in our postgame in terms of the relative 2 point percentage - so my guess is he values Chase's numbers from deep a little more highly than we fans do when he gets rejected for the 900th time on a breakaway layup. We're also really going to need a shooter next year to pick up the slack for CJ...
 
deacons1080 said:
regarding Dino - i remember Cleveland State - NBC Today show special reports about alleged sexual assaults, suspensions for various reasons, lack of team chemistry, and a otherwise complete lack of control of his program. Anyone who disputes this truly has no idea what was really going on behind the scenes.
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Posts like this are why even if we start winning I will find it difficult to get behind Bz- and I doubt I will ever again think much of Wellman.
 
bobknightfan said:
....and Dino was never going to win a post season game in a Ferrari. He had six chances, and it took an epic last minute collapse from his opponent to finally win once. And it wasn't like he was coming close, either. He lost the other five games by 10, 11, 15, 21 & 30 points....with each new loss worse than the one before it
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Well good thing he's been gone for 3 years(?). You're not going to bait me into an argument about Dino, that horse is long dead, and nobody is switching sides on that issue. The point is that it takes NBA talent to win a championship, no matter what coach is on the sidelines. When the postseason starts and our season's over, we should have plenty of time to catch up. Maybe you can tell me what the boards were like before electricity?
 
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Defensively, Chase cannot stay with ACC level guards.

He cannot create his shot and is no threat to go to the hole. He doesn't shoot well except standing still and he doesn't have a quick release. So when he receives a pass he often cannot get his shot off. I expect his % to continue to drop as the conference season progresses.
 
bobknightfan said:
Personal insults add little of value to any discussion. I will say that coaching definitely makes a difference. If you don't believe it, find a video of the 1984 Eastern Regional game between Carolina & Indiana and watch it. Carolina was #1 in the nation and had 4 NBA first round draft picks...Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins, Brad Daugherty & Kenny Smith....and got beat by four guys you've never heard of.....Mike Giomi, Marty Simmons, Dan Dakich & Uwe Blab.

Some coaches can take their players and beat your players....or they can take your players and beat their players.
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I remember Bum Phillips saying this about Don Shula about 30 years ago. Good times being a Dolphins fan.
 
bobknightfan said:
Not me. To me, few things are more annoying than wasted talent. Your true opponent is your potential. That is what you are playing against.
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So you would rather see a team of ours go 17-14 and miss the NIT than go 25-6 and lose first round of the NCAA?
 
bobknightfan said:
Personal insults add little of value to any discussion. I will say that coaching definitely makes a difference. If you don't believe it, find a video of the 1984 Eastern Regional game between Carolina & Indiana and watch it. Carolina was #1 in the nation and had 4 NBA first round draft picks...Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins, Brad Daugherty & Kenny Smith....and got beat by four guys you've never heard of.....Mike Giomi, Marty Simmons, Dan Dakich & Uwe Blab.

Some coaches can take their players and beat your players....or they can take your players and beat their players.
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Lone 30 year old exceptions to a rule aren't helping your point much. Dean Smith wasted enough talent to win 10 championships. The collection of NBA All-Stars we apparently had on the roster in Dino's time is exaggerated anyway. 3rd string journeyman pg with no jump shot, 7th man journeyman tweener forward with a bad jump shot , stop gap forward with no jump shot making a living off youth and potential, decent starting point guard.
 
I'd just like to point out that at the end of the game it took both Rusty and Randolph to remind Coach to take out Chase and sub in Rountree after the offensive foul by Travis.

He came in very late and then obviously made the steal that won the game.

Also, why do we insist on not fouling down by 3?
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I'd just like to point out that at the end of the game it took both Rusty and Randolph to remind Coach to take out Chase and sub in Rountree after the offensive foul by Travis.

He came in very late and then obviously made the steal that won the game.

Also, why do we insist on not fouling down by 3?
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[Redacted] explained this in the last postgame. He considered fouling but we give up a lot of rebounds on free throws so he thought the odds were better if we play defense.

Hard to criticize considering we're 2-0 in that situation and neither team even got a shot off. Well, unless you count Travis's travel and the subsequent shot - but at that point you couldn't foul because there wasn't enough time - shot was going up at the catch.
 
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