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It's gonna be hung! CP3's jersey finally getting retired March 2

Also, IMHO being top-10 on our career scoring list or holding other career records is more impressive than one AA honor. No question in my mind Muggsy and every other guy whose number is in the rafters had a more impressive Wake Forest career than CP.
 
Freakindeacon33 said:
No question in my mind Muggsy and every other guy whose number is in the rafters had a more impressive Wake Forest career than CP.
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Longer, yes. More impressive, no.

Individual Career Stats

Minutes Per Game
Paul 33.5
Bogues 30.0

Points Per Game
Paul 15.0
Bogues 8.3

FG%
Bogues 47.3%
Paul 47.1%

3pt FG%
Paul 46.9%
Bogues 44.3% (only Sr. year)

FT%
Paul 83.8%
Bogues 74.9%

Assists
Bogues 6.6
Paul 6.3

Rebounds
Paul 3.9
Bogues 2.4

Steals
Paul 2.5
Bogues 2.3

Contribution to Team Postseason Success

Minutes Played in the NCAA Tournament
Paul 189
Bogues 19

Points Scored in the NCAA Tournament
Paul 105
Bogues 0

ACC Conference Wins
Paul 22
Bogues 16(includes ACC Tournament)
 
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Freakindeacon33 said:
So we're going LOWF now for our jersey-retiring criteria? Just because we haven't had many great players, we should lower the bar?
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If you accomplish something that only 3 other guys have accomplished in the history of Wake Forest basketball; it isn't LOWF thinking to say that deserves the utmost recognition. It's common sense.

And what bar is being lowered? The other 3 guys on that list have their numbers in the rafters already.


Freakindeacon33 said:
Also, IMHO being top-10 on our career scoring list or holding other career records is more impressive than one AA honor. No question in my mind Muggsy and every other guy whose number is in the rafters had a more impressive Wake Forest career than CP.
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Oh my. Wow.


Bless your heart.
 
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If only CP was slightly worse or had some big NBA flaw in his game he would have stayed all 4 years and deserved to have his jersey retired.
 
Freakindeacon33 said:
Also, IMHO being top-10 on our career scoring list or holding other career records is more impressive than one AA honor. No question in my mind Muggsy and every other guy whose number is in the rafters had a more impressive Wake Forest career than CP.
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Do you support hanging Justin Gray and Robert O'Kelley's jerseys in the rafters?

They're #8 and #9 on the all-time scoring list. (After all, we put up Josh Howard's jersey - #11) . What about Darius Songalia and Eric Williams? We hung Rodney's jersey...

Great logic, my man.
 
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Strickland33 said:
Do you support hanging Justin Gray and Robert O'Kelley's jerseys in the rafters?

They're #8 and #9 on the all-time scoring list. (After all, we hung Songalia and Howard, #10 and #11) . What about Eric Williams? We hung Rodney's jersey...

Great logic, my man.
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Darius doesn't have his number up there. (Nor should he)
 
CP3 is still largely connected to the University and has more interaction with it than almost anyone with their jersey hung. He had a fantastic 2 years at WFU and is now representing us through being the best PG in the NBA at this time.

If you don't think he deserves to get it hung, that's just a shame. He's going to have the best or second best NBA career of any WFU basketball player. And he's still young.
 
deacvision7 said:
Darius doesn't have his number up there. (Nor should he)
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Oops. Then, would FD33 prefer Darius get his number up there before CP3, too? Hell, let's retire Richard Joyce's while we're at it. Top-100 recruit who put academics over athletics as a senior.
 
Little Ole' Texas Longhorns retired Kevin Durant's #35. He didn't win the Big 12 and lost by 19 in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament to a worse seed. He was only there one year. Man, Texas is so small time.
 
UT has a policy of retiring jerseys of all athletes honored as national player of the year. Durant, now in his second NBA season, was the consensus winner of that award as a freshman in 2006-’07.

I'm sure that policy started with T.J. Ford, but it's very legit IMO.
 
Freakindeacon33 said:
Food for thought: In the past 10 years, two other guys have been two-year players with a consensus 1st-team AA on their resume but no national POY or Final Fours: DeJuan Blair and D.J. Augustin. Should those guys have their numbers retired?

Again, if you think post-college accomplishments should be considered then it's a moot point. I just respectfully disagree with that.
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James Harden is also on this list.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
He was NPOY. C'mon.
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He won a ton of individual awards. He took Texas to the sweet sixteen. I still don't think he should have had his jersey retired by Texas. Sorry. He was there one year. And that team didn't really do anything that other Texas teams have not done.

Not trying to sound like a grumpy old man. I just think it should take a LOT to get a jersey retired. Duncan? No argument from me. Childress? No argument from me? Josh Howard? Meh, I didn't really think so on that one either. Paul? Different than Howard. Much better player. Much better advocate for WFU. Teams still didn't really do anything while he was there and because of that I don't feel like two years of individual awards are enough to get a jersey retired.
 
Jerseys are retired because of individual performances, not team performances. Same reason people get put into a Hall of Fame.
 
Durant didn't even make the Sweet 16.

I think context is important when making this decision. I don't believe in rigid team or individual guidelines. I include everything about the player during, and post departure. I think it is a hallowed honor, but we should also make this decision in the context of the Wake Forest tradition. Punishing players for team failures that have been failing for 50 years is not reasonable IMO. Neither is punishing them for being too good to stay for 4 years.
 
deacvision7 said:
Jerseys are retired because of individual performances, not team performances. Same reason people get put into a Hall of Fame.
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Agreed, but team performance also keeps people out of the hall of fame, or delays their entry for a long time as well.

I understand the argument. I just fall on the side of not feeling that Chris Paul really did enough DURING his time at WFU to merit having his jersey retired.
 
All this talk about retiring his number because of his post-Wake stuff....

To be honest he hasn't really "accomplished" anything in the NBA (if we're using the same definition that has been used to say he didn't "accomplish" anything at Wake)

He hasn't won a championship or an MVP...so I don't really understand that argument.

He's been named to All-NBA teams, which is pretty much no different than All-American...and the argument could be made that it's tougher to be named an All-American since there are so many more players in the NCAA.


So if stats and AA at Wake aren't reason enough to retire his jersey, then why would essentially the same qualifiers be used for his pro success?
 
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