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Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - That was great.

At least the Bobcats can be happy CLE, ORL, and WSH wind up 1-2-3. If McLemore is your guy, it looks like he'll be available. I imagine CLE won't end up shopping the pick and the Magic will take Burke. If the Cavs go Porter, who seemed to be their guy before they won the lottery, the Wiz may go Anthony Bennett.

Who is the guy for the Cats if the Magic go McLemore?
 
BlastOnPatrol said:
I don't mean to sound cruel, but what exactly is wrong with this kid?
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http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2011/10/neurofibromatosis_cant_change.html

neurofibromatosis (NF), a nerve disorder that causes tumors to grow anywhere in the body at any time.
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Though NF can be inherited, Nick's was a spontaneous mutation, and none of his younger three brothers or his sister have the condition. Diagnosed at 15 months, Nick has suffered through that brain surgery, the loss of vision in his right eye, four long rounds of chemotherapy and countless hours in doctors' offices and hospitals across the country.
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For several years, Nick was fine. But when things changed, they changed quickly and dramatically. He was 6 when he experienced a problem with his vision. Three weeks later, he was basically blind in his right eye.

The summer he turned 10, he was at camp when he started complaining of headaches every morning. Within days of returning home, he was throwing up and dizzy. An MRI showed a tumor, and he had emergency brain surgery at the Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
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The tough thing for the Wiz is that Bennett seems to be exactly what they need offensively - a pure PF who can hit a mid range jumper. However, all the scouting reports say his defense is bad. Like really, really bad.

I know he's big, but I don't get the Alex Len love. I understand that you draft sometimes on potential, but I wasn't that impressed whenever I saw MD this year.
 
wake20 said:
At least the Bobcats can be happy CLE, ORL, and WSH wind up 1-2-3. If McLemore is your guy, it looks like he'll be available. I imagine CLE won't end up shopping the pick and the Magic will take Burke. If the Cavs go Porter, who seemed to be their guy before they won the lottery, the Wiz may go Anthony Bennett.

Who is the guy for the Cats if the Magic go McLemore?
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Victor Oladipo or Alex Len, but i'm hoping that Anthony Bennett will fall to them.
 
As another Horcat fan, I wouldn't be disappointed with any of McLemore, Bennett, or Oladipo. But they're still the Bobcats, so the possibility is always there they out-think themselves and go with Cody Zeller.
 
How does Oladipo help the Horcats? They just drafted a defense-first 3 with the #2 pick last year. They need someone who can score. Oladipo may eventually be able to do that consistently, but I don't think at the elite level needed if they already have MKG on the floor as a non-scoring wing (not to mention Biyombo).
 
ToughLoveDeac said:
The tough thing for the Wiz is that Bennett seems to be exactly what they need offensively - a pure PF who can hit a mid range jumper. However, all the scouting reports say his defense is bad. Like really, really bad.

I know he's big, but I don't get the Alex Len love. I understand that you draft sometimes on potential, but I wasn't that impressed whenever I saw MD this year.
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His guards were black holes. I watched a handful of their games and saw a great skill set. Excellent footwork and a nice touch. His guards would just put their head down and dribble around the court when he would have position established on the block. He's still a little raw, but I think he will be an excellent pro. He was the best player in the ACC this year, and it really wasn't close at all.
 
ToughLoveDeac said:
The tough thing for the Wiz is that Bennett seems to be exactly what they need offensively - a pure PF who can hit a mid range jumper. However, all the scouting reports say his defense is bad. Like really, really bad.
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Yeah, and Whitman hates guys who won't play defense. There are more than enough scenarios that leave the Wiz with Bennett though.

I wonder who the Cats would take if, say, we trade #3 to SAC or PHO, who take McLemore. My dream scenario is trading 3 + filler to SAC for Cousins and 7 and watching the draft go Noel-Burke-McLemore-Olidipo-Porter-Len-Bennett.

Wall
Beal
Webster (re-signed)
Bennett
Cousins
 
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2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
How does Oladipo help the Horcats? They just drafted a defense-first 3 with the #2 pick last year. They need someone who can score. Oladipo may eventually be able to do that consistently, but I don't think at the elite level needed if they already have MKG on the floor as a non-scoring wing (not to mention Biyombo).
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I think Oladipo is only going to get better. He's a hard worker, and his offensive game is coming along. He was a 47% shooter his sophomore year, and improved to 60% last year. Went from a 20% 3-point shooter his soph year to over 44% last year. Of course, it's all projection. Some people think he's reached his ceiling, some think he can get significantly better. I'd certainly prefer McLemore, but I wouldn't be disappointed with Oladipo.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
How does Oladipo help the Horcats? They just drafted a defense-first 3 with the #2 pick last year. They need someone who can score. Oladipo may eventually be able to do that consistently, but I don't think at the elite level needed if they already have MKG on the floor as a non-scoring wing (not to mention Biyombo).
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He's a 2 with incredible work ethic and defensive ability. He made a huge jump in offensive ability in just one year in college iirc (over 40% from downtown and 60% from the floor iirc). I think he could contribute offensively a lot sooner than people think, and the defense alone would be worth it. I'd rather have him than McLemore, tbh.
 
for months people were saying the Bobcats were looking at Noel and McLemore if they got #1. Also during that period, most agred that if Orlando got #1, they would take Marcus Smart as PG was their priority.

Smart isn't available. Afflalo is as good as or better than McLemore. It makes sense for Orlando to take Burke.

With Wall and Beal, the Wiz aren't taking a guard. Add to that Porter played for G'town and this seems a lock.

The Bobcats look like they are going to get a guy they might have taken #1 at #4. They get their guy and save a bunch of money.
 
RJKarl said:
for months people were saying the Bobcats were looking at Noel and McLemore if they got #1. Also during that period, most agred that if Orlando got #1, they would take Marcus Smart as PG was their priority.

Smart isn't available. Afflalo is as good as or better than McLemore. It makes sense for Orlando to take Burke.

With Wall and Beal, the Wiz aren't taking a guard. Add to that Porter played for G'town and this seems a lock.

The Bobcats look like they are going to get a guy they might have taken #1 at #4. They get their guy and save a bunch of money.
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I agree with you that of the two, Aaron Afflalo is more valuable than Jameer Nelson, but regarding potential and NBA readiness, McLemore is probably a more valuable prospect than Trey Burke at this point. IMO it's a toss up who Orlando will choose.
 
You don't take a guy when the guy you already have is a player who is improving and is already a stud on D. Taking McLemore would be monumentally stupid for Orlando.

Also they really don't have a PG on the squad behind Jameer, who is thirty-one.

I'm not saying they won't do it, but it wouldn't help their team at all.

P.S. I think Afflalo is better than McLemore by a wide margin.
 
How is 27 year old Afflalo still improving? If anything his game has started to show some signs of decline. He also has never even posted a league average PER.
 
As you and others have said PER doesn't include much about defense. He is a stud defender.

As to "not improving", I'd call 12.6-15.2-16.5 improving.

Mclemore has shown nothing on D and has disappeared in several big games.
 
Actually... Afflalo's shooting percentages were terrible this year and his defense has been slipping the last two years, although that is tougher to objectify through numbers. He has never been a very good athlete. His scoring numbers went up because he started playing for the worst team in the NBA instead of one of the best.

McLemore actually has outstanding defensive potential, but overall it is ludicrous to compare a 20 year old prospect who can jump out of the gym to Afflalo.
 
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Fuck Your Couch said:
How is 27 year old Afflalo still improving? If anything his game has started to show some signs of decline. He also has never even posted a league average PER.
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Agreed.

Afflalo has arguably over performed relative to draft night expectations; at the same point in their careers (use age or college year - it doesn't matter), McLemore is both better and has far more potential. I don't think it's controversial to say that at 27, McLemore will be better than Arron Afflalo.

I also think that some are taking the "THIS DRAFT SUCKS!"-sentiment a bit far. McLemore is going to be underrated because he's a very good player in a below average draft class. He is still a top-10 prospect in a better draft class, IMO, and a safe lottery pick any year.

ETA: FYC beat me to it and said it better:

Fuck Your Couch said:
Actually... Afflalo's shooting percentages were terrible this year and his defense has been slipping the last two years, although that is tougher to objectify through numbers. He has never been a very good athlete.

McLemore actually has outstanding defensive potential, but overall it is ludicrous to compare a 19 year old prospect who can jump out of the gym to Afflalo.
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Fuck Your Couch said:
Actually... Afflalo's shooting percentages were terrible this year and his defense has been slipping the last two years, although that is tougher to objectify through numbers. He has never been a very good athlete. His scoring numbers went up because he started playing for the worst team in the NBA instead of one of the best.

McLemore actually has outstanding defensive potential, but overall it is ludicrous to compare a 20 year old prospect who can jump out of the gym to Afflalo.
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Being able to jump out of the gym doesn't make you an NBA player or Trent and LD would be starting somewhere.

Ever think Afflalo's "slipage on D" might actually be covering up for the slowing Jameer and the abysmal D of Beano?

Everyone who is a good athlete has "potential" to play D, but McLemore didn't play good D on a collegiate level. It's pure conjecture to say he'll magically become a defender in the NBa.

Add to this he's being drafted as a scorer.

Can he progress to score 18-20 ppg? Probably.

Can he project to being to be an "outstanding defender"? There's no reason to think that. He hasn't done it yet and primary scorers aren't often "outstanding defenders".
 
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