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Does jaybone really think he is some basketball savant or something? This is just embarrassing.
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jaybone
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My point is that Cav is a stretch 4. That's it. It's not rocket science. He's 6'9" and shoots 3s. He doesn't play SF, never played a minute there last year and won't this year. He had to play some 5 last year and he's not well suited for it, but he fought. He ain't a 3. He ain't a combo-forward. He's a 4. Of the different types of 4s, he's a stretch 4. He's not a power 4; he's a stretch 4. I think even if you give him 30 minutes a game his junior or senior year, he's not going to get 7.5 rebounds for you. He's not that guy. Vytas, for one year, was.
I guess some of you are so literal that I try and come up with a guy in our past who was also a 4 of similar size who played stretch 4 his last few years, and people go all PHDeac on it and start to dissect Vytas' up down up down career and compare the two careers or athletic abilities or whatever. Which is just weird to me but whatever. Vtas was a stretch 4, at least he was the last two years when he played with Big E. He took top of the key jumpers. As a 4. Making him a stretch 4. Following?
So, in summary ... I'm saying Cav is a stretch 4. Any questions?
I guess some of you are so literal that I try and come up with a guy in our past who was also a 4 of similar size who played stretch 4 his last few years, and people go all PHDeac on it and start to dissect Vytas' up down up down career and compare the two careers or athletic abilities or whatever. Which is just weird to me but whatever. Vtas was a stretch 4, at least he was the last two years when he played with Big E. He took top of the key jumpers. As a 4. Making him a stretch 4. Following?
So, in summary ... I'm saying Cav is a stretch 4. Any questions?
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Other comparisons to Cav:
- Non-athletic version of Chris Ellis
- Shorter, non-shot blocking Carson Desrosiers
- Poor man's freshman year Jamie Skeen
- Non-athletic version of Chris Ellis
- Shorter, non-shot blocking Carson Desrosiers
- Poor man's freshman year Jamie Skeen
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It's weird to jaybone that hardcore Wake fans would say he was incorrect in his assessment of a Wake player. Vytas wasn't a stretch 4.
TITS, those are good comparisons. I'd add Ricky Peral to that list. Of course, he actually played SF along side an athletic smaller PF and elite C as a sophomore.
TITS, those are good comparisons. I'd add Ricky Peral to that list. Of course, he actually played SF along side an athletic smaller PF and elite C as a sophomore.
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Deacsfan27
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Anyways, I'll be at the gym tonight (along with Cumberland and I think TITSWF).
Hopefully we have some fun things to report.
Hopefully we have some fun things to report.
jaybone
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Vytas took the following 3s for his career:
frosh: 3
soph: 48 in 31 games (30 minutes per game) - that's about 1.5 3s per game or one 3 point shot every 20 minutes he was in - from the 4
junior: 46 in 25 games (17 minutes per game) - that's about 1.8 per game or one 3 point shot every 10 minutes he was in - from the 4
senior: 85 in 33 games (20 minutes per game) - that's about 2.7 per game or one 3 point shot every 7 minutes he was in - from the 4
That's a stretch 4 ladies and gentlemen, or at least how I define it. I didn't recall him shooting that many 3s but I guess Prosser really wanted to give Big E space at the 5. Can we end this?
jaybone
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haha.
Cav took 59 last year, in comparison. In 31 games. 17 minutes a game. That is what? About 1.8 3s per game? Or one every 10 minutes he was in. Ring a bell? By the middle of the ACC season, nobody wanted Cav to take those shots either!
Cav took 59 last year, in comparison. In 31 games. 17 minutes a game. That is what? About 1.8 3s per game? Or one every 10 minutes he was in. Ring a bell? By the middle of the ACC season, nobody wanted Cav to take those shots either!
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Yeah, deferring to CJ didn't really work out for us in close games last year. Missed the game winner against Seton Hall, missed the layup to lose to VA Tech, was awful down the stretch when we could have beaten Duke, and didn't even get a shot off for the game winner against BC...
Best close-out game was NC State and CJ was hurt. He was absolutely the guy you wanted on the line to maintain a lead, and he carried us at times in the beginning/middle of games when he got hot... But he wasn't really a great option for game-winners. We need to replace his scoring overall and find a starter to shoot free throws, but it's not like we're Miami trying to replace Shane Larkin.
jaybone
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What's weird to me is that whenever you get one or two or maybe three posters to agree with you, you go all fanbase on me - as if you somehow represent a collective, and my experience on here with you is that you rep nobody. I'll be clear, I post for me. I'm not starting a movement nor do I post as voice to any group or collective. To think so is delusional and I can only think you are delusional quite frequently.
I'm reminded of the post 6 months ago where you essentially told me to stop posting because I don't represent anybody nor do I agree with the majority on something (probably Bzd). Coming from a supposed edukator (and I use the socialist K), I found that astounding, pathetic, and un-self-reflective. Don't disagree with the majority. This is America damnit. Thankfully, you've backed off that bullshit though without admitting the stupidity of it. But I do keep that in a small piece of my brain when I read your posts. Your full of shit, essentially, and I keep that in mind.
Usually when you're beaten on here you just clam up and disappear. I assume that is what you have done again.
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The strategy was usually him driving the length of the floor into the defense and trying to score. Bad strategy.
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When did we have CJ take the ball and go the length of the floor and score a game winner minus the BC game when there were only a few seconds left? I don't remember any, but I could be wrong. Inside pick got him a layup against VA Tech. Was that bad strategy?
Deacsfan27
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It's used all the time actually. More players becoming more confident to shoot a shot at a big point in the game is definitely a plus, especially when they are as young as our team is.
CJ was great for us and was an excellent leader, but now its time for other guys to step up and have more than one guy take all of the big shots. That is a good thing in my opinion.
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I went to get lunch, had an hour phone call for work, and then got an e-mail that I needed to prep something over the last hour.
I don't know where you get the idea I went "all fanbase" on you. Two or more hardcore Wake fans disagreed with you. You were incredulous. I found it weird that you thought it was weird that hardcore Wake fans (2 or more fans) would call you out for being wrong.
I also think it's hilarious that you think I have the reputation for ducking an argument. My post count suggests that isn't true. I'm actually trying to curb jumping on arguments like this when other people have already presented arguments I agree with. No need for me to keep posting on this. Others agreed with me. If my perspective is so important to you, just PM me. That way I won't miss it.
If you want more feedback, just start a poll: "Was Vytas a stretch 4? Yes or no?" Maybe you can just start a general thread about Vytas to provide a report on how his career in Europe is going. Several of us would like an update. That would be quite useful.
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Between the NC State win and the close call against Duke, CJ only combined for 7 field goals. When we leaned on him for last second shots it didn't work out very well. And don't forget overall we were horrible.
We need our sophomores to step up if we're going to be decent. Losing CJ forces their hand. Last year we were not successful. That's all I'm saying.
We need our sophomores to step up if we're going to be decent. Losing CJ forces their hand. Last year we were not successful. That's all I'm saying.
jaybone
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He averaged a 3point shot every 7 to 10 minutes on the court his last two years at Wake. What would you call that? Just curious how you parse it. A power forward who launches 3s too? But without the intent of spacing the floor?
To put that in perspective, Randolph Childress averaged a 3point shot about every 5 minutes on the floor.
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Georgia Tech.
Clearly, if Cav has a role on our team it's to be a stretch 4. Anything else is done completely out of necessity. Never suited to be a 3, a 5 or a banger 4. I just hope his 3 point shot goes in this year and that should just be a confidence issue. To think that Cav couldn't develop a few respectable post moves in 3 years here is short sighted. He will get stronger but not much more athletic. Again, his problems finishing last year had as much to do with freaking out as lacking athleticism. I guess an alternative is he lacks coordination but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt since he can shoot FT well.
IIRC, Vytas shot a ton of trailing 3 point shots in pseudo-transition. He was really athletic before his injury, not so much after.
IIRC, Vytas shot a ton of trailing 3 point shots in pseudo-transition. He was really athletic before his injury, not so much after.