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BBall Recruiting Megathread 3.0 - The Manning era begins: The Harry Giles Chronicles

Great post, Cumberland, and thanks for the information.

Have you (or anybody) found that it's a staff-by-staff thing? Are there coaches and staffs that are really plugged in to this kind of stuff, that don't require these positions? Or, do most staffs have their share of social media-inclined underlings?

I'm just wondering if this is a consideration that goes into the hiring and evaluation processes.

In any event, thanks for the hard work Stonz (if you're still reading the boards)!
 
Strickland33 said:
And along these lines, it's remarkable just how dense Ron Wellman is when it comes to understanding how BCS coaching staffs should function in this day and age. Again, Goodman is really on point with the following:



I know there's a lot of love for Rusty and Chill on these boards, but it's just shocking how behind the times we are in regards to what we expect out of our coaching staff at this juncture. We're running two "legends" at the expense of seasoned assistants and it's really shown, IMO. Skip's assistants (and even Dino's) were professionals - they did work and the fruits of their labor paid off, again and again - and I feel like the [Redacted]-era really has been amateur hour in terms of his staff.

If Wellman prioritized getting energetic, skilled assistants - who, first and foremost, actually understand the recruiting landscape in their respective sports - in our (formerly) powerhouse programs, then our HC's lack of fire would be, at the very least, minimized. By taking a laissez-faire approach with Grobe, as of late (after telling him to clean house), and by handpicking human shields for [Redacted]'s bench, I think the recruiting, and by association, the future of the basketball (and football) programs have been really compromised.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Strickland33 again.
 
Strickland33 said:
The next coach won't have an empty cupboard, but he'll have to figure out what to do when eight players graduate in 2015-2016. That's [Redacted]'s recruiting legacy as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully, Shelton, Isaac, and MFD change that, but damn did Buzz put our program's future in a hole.
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Agreed. You would think that someone with as much experience as [Redacted] wouldn't have panicked the way he did after the Tony, Fields and Carson transfers.

..but then again, [Redacted]'s resume does speak for itself.
 
Strickland33 said:
Also, I found these Jeff Goodman tweets interesting:

I guess Stonz and Streezy are doing the Lord's work after all... Much to jaybone's chagrin, it also increases the utility of the recruiting analysts, IMO, as they actually seem to understand these changing forms of communication better than the coaches and "those close to the program."
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Are you high? What does a blogger or an expert being able to read the tweeting tea leaves have to do with recruiting. The problem
still is - if you are looking for guys outside the top 20 each year you better do your own homework and do it well or toy will be stuck with a 4star stuff like tabb or Swinton or a 5star stiff like woods or walker.

Who gives a fuck if they figure out which way a kid is leaning a few weeks or months before he commits? Republicans read Nate silver before the last election and that didn't so much for them. Until a kid commits schools o their list that still want them are going to work for that commit tweets or not
 
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PhDeac said:
Maybe I'm just being optimistic but I think a new coach starting in 2014 would like to have a bunch of experienced players and the ability to focus on recruiting hard for 2016 and 2017.
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make the right hire and he benefits from the "honeymoon bump" that every acc coach but bzz got recruiting their first class.
 
jaybone said:
Are you high? What does a blogger or an expert being able to read the tweeting tea leaves have to do with recruiting. The problem
still is - if you are looking for guys outside the top 20 each year you better do your own homework and do it well or toy will be stuck with a 4star stuff like tabb or Swinton or a 5star stiff like woods or walker.

Who gives a fuck if they figure out which way a kid is leaning a few weeks or months before he commits? Republicans read Nate silver before the last election and that didn't so much for them. Until a kid commits schools o their list that still want them are going to work for that commit tweets or not
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I'm not high, but even if I was, I would still be able to make this very simple connection. I don't know what state of inebriation you have to be in to post the above, though.

Recruiting analysts' data includes: 1) first-hand scouting reports, 2) second-hand scouting reports, 3) interviews with prospects, 4) personal communication/social media with prospects and parents, and 5) personal communication/social media with coaches and "handlers." I'm sure there's more, but this is just what I have. Their "prognostications" and projections are qualified, in part, by conversations with head coaches and coaching staffs, over a variety of media. (Just like, it should be added, NBA Draft analysts.) It's a two-way street of information, but analysts are always there as a resource, between coaches and players, and for both sides of the equation.

How exactly do you think coaching staff's go about identifying and communicating with various players? Do they just wander in to open gyms and hope they stumble upon the next Michael Jordan? There is an intricate network of communications that includes - yes - recruiting analysts that help assistants identify early targets in the earliest of stages. Whether it's browsing through databases or actually taking seriously scouting reports, tweets, or text messages, these guys, like it or not, do matter.

These guys are right 1000x more than they are wrong. If you think all they do is call commitments, then you couldn't be further from the truth. There's a reason that a guy like Dave Telep - and his assistant Drew Cannon - are in NBA front offices right now.

(I won't bite on your lustful hatred of Swinton, Woods, Walker, and Tabb, but have you thought for a second that perhaps our staffs' evaluation of these players' skill sets and fits at Wake were wrong?)

After all, I still take your NBA analysis seriously, even though you thought so highly of Tracy "Meaningful Minutes" McGrady. :D
 
Strickland33 said:
I'm not high, but even if I was, I would still be able to make this very simple connection. I don't know what state of inebriation you have to be in to post the above, though.

Recruiting analysts' data includes: 1) first-hand scouting reports, 2) second-hand scouting reports, 3) interviews with prospects, 4) personal communication/social media with prospects and parents, and 5) personal communication/social media with coaches and "handlers." I'm sure there's more, but this is just what I have. Their "prognostications" and projections are qualified, in part, by conversations with head coaches and coaching staffs, over a variety of media. (Just like, it should be added, NBA Draft analysts.) It's a two-way street of information, but analysts are always there as a resource, between coaches and players, and for both sides of the equation.

How exactly do you think coaching staff's go about identifying and communicating with various players? Do they just wander in to open gyms and hope they stumble upon the next Michael Jordan? There is an intricate network of communications that includes - yes - recruiting analysts that help assistants identify early targets in the earliest of stages. Whether it's browsing through databases or actually taking seriously scouting reports, tweets, or text messages, these guys, like it or not, do matter.

These guys are right 1000x more than they are wrong. If you think all they do is call commitments, then you couldn't be further from the truth. There's a reason that a guy like Dave Telep - and his assistant Drew Cannon - are in NBA front offices right now.

(I won't bite on your lustful hatred of Swinton, Woods, Walker, and Tabb, but have you thought for a second that perhaps our staffs' evaluation of these players' skill sets and fits at Wake were wrong?)

After all, I still take your NBA analysis seriously, even though you thought so highly of Tracy "Meaningful Minutes" McGrady. :D
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Haha. Good dig at the end. Touché. For the record, I didn't expect Leonard to be fully healthy for all of the playoffs and Mac made the most sense to play rather than change rotations;-)

As for analysts, you make some good points but I just think they are wrong as much as they are right for about the 25th ranked guy thru 150. So if we offer 4 star Swinton and 4star tabb shame on us but also shame on telep. If I were him I would have reevaluated how I rank physically gifted guys (6'6" and muscled) doing what they want in high school. He didn't seem to.

Again I don't care if some 30 year old scout is cozy enough w a recruit or his family to have a great idea where he's heading a month or two before he announces. That ain't gonna stop the other schools on the list from trying even harder.

But your other details are good info. Maybe a kid doesn't come on our radar until some Internet blog mentions an interest fine. Good stuff. But then start from scratch and do your own analysis ignoring the star rating because the star rating for hoops is fatally flawed. Close to an embarrassment. I think too man scouts are enamoured by dunks size vertical and not hands heart and motor. It's not a modern day slave auction. Ya feel me? Just because a kid might work well on the farm and breed well doesn't make him an acc player.
 
Oak Hill released their schedule for the upcoming season if anyone is interested in watching Shelton play.

http://www.oakhillhoops.com/2010-2011-oak-hill-academy-warrior-basketball-schedule/

They are in Winston on Friday, November 1 (7pm) at Quality Education Academy. They are also in Winston on Wednesday, December 11 (7 pm).

They also have some games in Raleigh and one in Richmond as well as numerous other locations.
 
CumberlandDeac said:
Oak Hill released their schedule for the upcoming season if anyone is interested in watching Shelton play.

http://www.oakhillhoops.com/2010-2011-oak-hill-academy-warrior-basketball-schedule/

They are in Winston on Friday, November 1 (7pm) at Quality Education Academy. They are also in Winston on Wednesday, December 11 (7 pm).

They also have some games in Raleigh and one in Richmond as well as numerous other locations.
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bzz would have trouble posting a winning record against that schedule.
 
Spotted Buzz, Rusty, and Chill with members of MFD's family I believe. Didn't see MFD though.
 
Shelton Mitchell is taking his official visit this weekend too. And it appears Haas is also coming back. Seems like a pretty all-in attempt to get MFD on our side.
 
Buzz held a door for me! #Culture I don't have class the rest of the day. I'm gonna trail this posse. On some private eye type ish.
 
We should switch the hosts. Battle is far more engaging according to all who know them.
 
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