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Video of the First Wake Bball Practice of the Year

Rafi said:
There is a lot of variability in acl recovery time. Our sports med staff is top notch. They make the call when he returns.

I was just wondering why you said he doesn't look anywhere near ready.
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It doesn't seem like this is the case. I can't think of a top notch med staff that would have made that call on TC, DG, or frankly, Greg. I'm sorry. I just can't.

I think the staff's desperation is forcing guys to come back too early and I think that's wrong.
 
Rafi said:
There is a lot of variability in acl recovery time. Our sports med staff is top notch. They make the call when he returns.

I was just wondering why you said he doesn't look anywhere near ready.
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There's absolutely no point in Greg playing this year. He's not going to beat out either Travis or Moto for PT. Plus Tree is going to get minutes.
 
Strickland33 said:
It doesn't seem like this is the case. I can't think of a top notch med staff that would have made that call on TC, DG, or frankly, Greg. I'm sorry. I just can't.

I think the staff's desperation is forcing guys to come back too early and I think that's wrong.
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OK, give me an example of a top notch medical staff then. We can examine their track record and see if any of their players ever suffered repeat injuries.

I hate to be accusatory, but you seem to have little knowledge of what you are discussing, and worse, you are making stuff up.
 
RG3 tore his ACL in January and looks horrible eight months later. But I'm sure Greg McClinton is such a fucking cyborg that he puts the recovery time of a Heisman trophy winning multi-sport athlete and NFL QB to shame.
 
Rafi said:
OK, give me an example of a top notch medical staff then. We can examine their track record and see if any of their players ever suffered repeat injuries.

I hate to be accusatory, but you seem to have little knowledge of what you are discussing, and worse, you are making stuff up.
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I don't think that you hate to be accusatory. You also seem to be shilling quite hard for the AD.

I never said anything about our staff. I asked why a top-notch staff would allow a guy like Greg to come back immediately when there's no need. You haven't answered that question.

What did I see? Greg is running with a limp and came down gingerly (the hop) off of his three pointer. For a guy, like Greg, who only plays in one speed, that's not good. Cam Stanley was the same way and he never recovered. Couple that with reports that Greg is pushing coming back early and the staff seemingly is not standing in his way. That's a problem, as RJ is right: there's no need for him to come back. At all.

Yes, ACL recoveries vary. You don't have to tell me twice. That said, you play it safe when a recovering athlete is an 18-year-old freshman on the cusp of playing his first game at a completely different level.

If you have so much knowledge, then post something to the contrary of what RJ and I posted. I'll be happy to wait while you give Steve Shutt a back massage or something.
 
Rafi said:
OK, give me an example of a top notch medical staff then. We can examine their track record and see if any of their players ever suffered repeat injuries.

I hate to be accusatory, but you seem to have little knowledge of what you are discussing, and worse, you are making stuff up.
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Dr. Martin is an outstanding doctor. He's given me a second opinion before on a lower leg/knee injury. That's why I have a hard time believing that Greg is ready to go, eight months after tearing his ACL and after Daniel Green re-tore his ACL, in part, because he came back so soon.
 
VaDeac said:
RG3 tore his ACL in January and looks horrible eight months later. But I'm sure Greg McClinton is such a fucking cyborg that he puts the recovery time of a Heisman trophy winning multi-sport athlete and NFL QB to shame.
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Really? Should we just list different players and how long it took for them to return to play? Where is smallsamplesizedeac when you need him.

Here's a good summary, 6-8 months is standard, but each patient is unique. http://lowerextremityreview.com/article/rehab-speeds-return-after-acl-surgery
 
From your source...

Although this issue tends to be at the forefront of an athlete’s mind at the time of injury, they also value the importance of achieving a good long-term result that will allow them to function at a high level throughout their lifetime. As orthopedic practitioners, our primary responsibility is to ensure a good long-term outcome after ACL reconstruction. Secondarily, we strive toward a quick, but safe, return to sports.

If the guy's limping, this long-term positive outcome is in question. That's the point you're avoiding.
 
Sad to think that in better times, this would be the ideal opportunity for a university sponsored open basketball practice event followed by a Clemson game watch.
 
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Strickland33 said:
I never said anything about our staff. I asked why a top-notch staff would allow a guy like Greg to come back immediately when there's no need. You haven't answered that question.
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A top notch medical staff is going to clear a player to return when the player is physically and mentally ready to return. Not before, and not after. There are obviously risks in returning too early, but there are also real mental health implications that can occur when keeping a player out of sports an unnecessarily long period of time after an injury. This is one of the big issues in concussion, because the findings by history and physical exam are not as objective in concussion as they are in something like a knee injury.

Hopefully that answered your question. The medical staff does not care one bit about the needs of the team when deciding to clear a player after acl repair.
 
Rafi said:
A top notch medical staff is going to clear a player to return when the player is physically and mentally ready to return. Not before, and not after. There are obviously risks in returning too early, but there are also real mental health implications that can occur when keeping a player out of sports an unnecessarily long period of time after an injury. This is one of the big issues in concussion, because the findings by history and physical exam are not as objective in concussion as they are in something like a knee injury.

Hopefully that answered your question. The medical staff does not care one bit about the needs of the team when deciding to clear a player after acl repair.
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lol, what?
 
LOL millennials.
 
VaDeac said:
From your source...

If the guy's limping, this long-term positive outcome is in question. That's the point you're avoiding.
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No, that's exactly the point I was getting at. From what Strickland wrote, I assumed he had seen Greg play, but it turns out he hadn't. Later on he suggested that he was basing it on the video. I hadn't noticed Greg limping in the video, but I'll look at it again.
 
I just watched the video again and did not see any limping. But, to base any assessment on 1-2 seconds of video probably does not lead to a very informed decision.

If anyone has watched Greg play, I think many here would be interested to hear how he's progressing.
 
How many notches are there in the rating of sports med staffs? 8? 10? Pizza? Zed?
 
Also, so much lulz at the mental health thing. His surgically-repaired ACL? Meh, he'll figure it out. His self-esteem, that's our primary concern!
 
Rafi, I was laughing at the idea a millennial college athlete would have serious mental health concerns from being held out for legit health reasons. PM me who you are though.
 
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