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inspectah said:
Do OTP's posts give anybody else flashbacks to the posts by Rich Brooks' daughter 13 years ago?
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She evidently left quite the impression on UK posters, as well. I wasn't around here (scout) for her rants, however.
 
Ball State Deac said:
I will note that BSU's stud RB from NC had some academic issues, IIRC. Also, has Wellman still not closed this deal? I'm starting to wonder if Wellman is the right man for the job. Anyone starting to doubt him?
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Is there a job out there that Wellman is the right man for?

However, if someone would like to hire him away from MSD I would gladly give him the most positive, glowing recommendation possible!
 
Deacon2002 said:
Is there a job out there that Wellman is the right man for?

However, if someone would like to hire him away from MSD I would gladly give him the most positive, glowing recommendation possible!
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Jizz monkey at a Winston Salem adult bookstore.
 
IT'S LEMBO!!!!!

That's what we will be saying around here if LEMBO is in fact hired as Wake's next football coach.
 
If Lembo doesn't come because he's worried about not getting enough exceptions, the blame doesn't fall on Wellman, IMO. It's faculty and admissions who pushed for fewer exceptions in the last five years.
 
Like somebody else said, do want Lembo no doubt, but how many players do we get from NC each year?

Do we want more? Or do we want more from PA/OH/VA/SC/GA/FL?

NC HS football - not that great.
 
mattwfu99 said:
If Lembo doesn't come because he's worried about not getting enough exceptions, the blame doesn't fall on Wellman, IMO. It's faculty and admissions who pushed for fewer exceptions in the last five years.
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I'd still like to hear a good argument about how fewer exceptions are a better solution than better academic support for athletes (and non-athletes as well).
 
PhDeac said:
I'd still like to hear a good argument about how fewer exceptions are a better solution than better academic support for athletes (and non-athletes as well).
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My guess is that some faculty got disgusted by some athletes who had been borderline on our standards, received admission, and then were uninterested and/or unwilling to do the work. That's total speculation on my part, however.

You know how faculty can be. Bunch of whiny, elitist snobs. :thumbsup:
 
I don't follow recruiting much at all but this is starting to feel like every time I start to follow one. Big momentum early, trying to stave off competition late, ultimately disappointed. I really hope I'm wrong.
 
I'd much prefer Lembo. I've heard some great things from mebane people on him. But wanting to win, can be seen as prickly.... Could this be the Witchita State coach all over? A winner but not one to get along with Wellman, and so we get .. Bzz or the football equal of Bzz.
 
PhDeac said:
I'd still like to hear a good argument about how fewer exceptions are a better solution than better academic support for athletes (and non-athletes as well).
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Exactly--and I believe the support is there. As I mentioned earlier, the graduation rate at Wake is 83% in four-years (and higher for 5-6 years). Students and student-athletes are much more likely to graduate from Wake than a less rigorous place like Balls State (where less than a third of students graduate in four years*).

I worked in the admissions office of a selective college for a few years. For student-athletes who were "lower" by our metrics, we asked ourselves "can this young man/woman do the work?" or are we setting them up for failure. If the answer was the former and they were a stud recruit/of good character, we would admit them.

That is the question that should be asked.


*To be fair, Ball State probably has a nice chunk of part-time students.
 
Pete Lembo (Dave Clawson Discussed, OTP Gets Feisty, Decision Tomorrow?)

mattwfu99 said:
My guess is that some faculty got disgusted by some athletes who had been borderline on our standards, received admission, and then were uninterested and/or unwilling to do the work. That's total speculation on my part, however.

You know how faculty can be. Bunch of whiny, elitist snobs. :thumbsup:
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Pretty much. I'm curious about this because I keep hearing this line about faculty complaining about exceptions and I'd like more information.

I've taught probably 2 or 3 football players a year at a school probably on par with Ball State. I don't remember any who were "unwilling" to do the work. Now there were several who needed additional help figuring how to get work done but definitely were willing. I've never met one who was just like "I just need to pass yo class, dawg. I ain't trying to read and write and that shit."
 
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Complacent Deac said:
Like somebody else said, do want Lembo no doubt, but how many players do we get from NC each year?

Do we want more? Or do we want more from PA/OH/VA/SC/GA/FL?

NC HS football - not that great.
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Georgia is starting a NC high school running back.
 
PhDeac said:
I'd still like to hear a good argument about how fewer exceptions are a better solution than better academic support for athletes (and non-athletes as well).
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Sounds like a false dichotomy. Fewer exceptions would not prevent better academic support. Both could (or could not) be warranted.
 
PhDeac said:
I'd still like to hear a good argument about how fewer exceptions are a better solution than better academic support for athletes (and non-athletes as well).
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Agree 100%. That would be very interesting to hear. Many times the kids who are exceptions succeed because someone finally has taken the time to truly invest in their academics rather than just pass them through the system because they are a star athlete on the high school level. More than anything, it comes down to the kid wanting to succeed in the classroom and willing to work to make it happen. I have seen more kids that have been told that they don't have what it takes academically graduate than don't graduate. If you put the resources into academic support systems and with a coach that cares about their academics, you will see these kids graduate. And honestly, there is nothing better than seeing someone who comes in and can barely write a paper work hard for four-five years and get a diploma through their own hard work and the hard work of academic support staff.

I know many academic coordinators who would rather work with an exception who is willing to put in time and effort to overcome their academic background or lack there of than a student-athlete that wasn't an exception but struggles to maintain eligibility due to not caring or laziness.
 
Pete Lembo (Dave Clawson Discussed, OTP Gets Feisty, Decision Tomorrow?)

Reposting because my edit wasn't quick enough:

I've taught probably 2 or 3 football players a year at a school probably on par with Ball State. I don't remember any who were "unwilling" to do the work. Now there were several who needed additional help figuring how to get work done but definitely were willing. I've never met one who was just like "I just need to pass yo class, dawg. I ain't trying to read and write and that shit."
 
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