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Snowden publicly offers to sell/trade Brazil secrets for asylum

bym051d said:
I'll say that I'm an Obama supporter and I'm not sure how I feel about him. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, but I'm not sure everything he's released is appropriate. Also, he went to Putin.

Willingness to trade secrets doesn't sit well with me.
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We drove him to Putin. What other choice did Snowden have? It was either run to Russia, or spend the rest of his life in a hole in the United States. That is not much of a choice.
 
Wrangor said:
We drove him to Putin. What other choice did Snowden have? It was either run to Russia, or spend the rest of his life in a hole in the United States. That is not much of a choice.
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This is total BS!!

He had ample whistleblower opportunities.

He CHOSE to go to China. Then he CHOSE to go to Russia.

Your hatred of everything Obama blinds you to any rational discussion about anything involving him.
 
RJKarl said:
This is total BS!!

He had ample whistleblower opportunities.

He CHOSE to go to China. Then he CHOSE to go to Russia.

Your hatred of everything Obama blinds you to any rational discussion about anything involving him.
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The Obama Admin has aggressively pursued whistleblowers, especially low level ones.

Snowden made the courageous choice - one that is going to significantly alter the way that our own government collects data on innocent citizens.

But if you enjoy giving up civil liberties, go ahead and try to make Snowden out to be the bad guy in this scenario.
 
The real question people should be asking is how many other people had as much access as Snowden and what are they doing with it. Assuming that they're all just wonderful trustworthy people who wouldn't misuse such information is naive. At least Snowden went public.
 
RJKarl said:
They can't give him a pardon. They can give him 5-10 years instead of life. If he's a man he'd take it. When he gets out, he'll be able to make a lot of money.
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Dude is obviously much braver than we are. He's going for all or nothing.

Would Mandela of taken of a 5 year reduced sentence?
 
Also it has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with the establishment. Its much more than Barack. He's nothing more than a patsy. A simpleton who's in way over his head. Like most of us would be.

Stop coddling him because he shares the skin color as Gil McGregor.
 
Walking across the Pettis Bridge knowing you might get beaten to death is a heroic act.

Walking across the Pettis Bridge then kidnapping the police chief's daughter to keep yourself from getting beaten up the next time isn't.

Sitting in at a lunch counter is a brave and noble act.

Threatening to poison the food as you leave isn't.

Taking a million files, giving out some information and threatening to give out more puts Snowden in the latter group of each of those couplets.
 
PhDeac said:
The real question people should be asking is how many other people had as much access as Snowden and what are they doing with it. Assuming that they're all just wonderful trustworthy people who wouldn't misuse such information is naive. At least Snowden went public.
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This is the relevant question. Now that homeboy has gotten away with whatever it is he's doing, who is the next contractor that wants to become a reality tv star.

Mark Burnett is all over this idea I'm sure.
 
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I'm more concerned that someone didn't go to the press and went right to another country or they're privately wrecking people's lives or feeding information to who knows who.
 
PhDeac said:
I'm more concerned that someone didn't go to the press and went right to another country or they're privately wrecking people's lives or feeding information to who knows who.
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I am thinking directly about David Petraus here. His secret affair / email life came about all the sudden. Would be a pretty easy thing to do. I am sure NSA was keeping tabs on him.
 
Wrangor said:
I am thinking directly about David Petraus here. His secret affair / email life came about all the sudden. Would be a pretty easy thing to do. I am sure NSA was keeping tabs on him.
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Total BULLSHIT as usual.
 
Snowden's ACLU lawyer:
‏@benwizner

I wonder if this will be clear enough: Edward Snowden has never offered to "trade" information for asylum anywhere, and he never will.
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RJKarl said:
Walking across the Pettis Bridge knowing you might get beaten to death is a heroic act.

Walking across the Pettis Bridge then kidnapping the police chief's daughter to keep yourself from getting beaten up the next time isn't.

Sitting in at a lunch counter is a brave and noble act.

Threatening to poison the food as you leave isn't.

Taking a million files, giving out some information and threatening to give out more puts Snowden in the latter group of each of those couplets.
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You probably thought really hard about these analogies. Yet somehow they still miss the mark.

At every turn the U.S. government has denied the scope of their surveillance programs. The rot goes from the head of surveillance - "We're not "wittingly" collecting information on American citizens" - all the way up to the President - "no one is monitoring your emails or your phone calls". (Both of those are paraphrased quotes.) And the longer this goes on the more we learn courtesy of Mr. Snowden that we are being misled by our own government about what they are doing. That is a far cry from someone protesting about segregation laws by sitting at a lunch counter. Those laws are out in the open. Everyone knows the score. Here the only way we know the score is because Snowden has told us.
 
As usual, you don't want to understand the logic in the analogies. It would get in your way of Obama is the anti-Christ.

Had Snowden taken a few files, he could have easily started the same discussion. He went way too far. He has offered at least one foreign government information to be traded for asylum. No information he could share with them isn't a crime to do.

No one is monitoring phone calls or emails. Monitoring means listening to taking down the content. That is not being done.
 
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If he's not giving anything away, he could have just bluffed that he had all this information and achieved the same results.
 
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