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Specific problems with specific welfare programs and how to fix them

pourdeac said:
Can you put some numbers behind what that means?

One reason I ask is that the World Bank calls poverty $1.25 a day per person, so the poverty line for a family of 4 is $1,825. In the US it's $23,492. That's a big difference isn't it? World poverty is viewed as access to basic needs for life...ie at or below subsistence living. We define it from relative terms compared to a Middle Class lifestyle, and most of the people in what we call poverty would be Middle Class going by the World Bank definition. Poverty will always exist in the US because of the way we define it won't it?
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The $1.25 number is based on the cost of living in the poorest countries. It is not comparable to the cost of living in the US.
 
note to self: add pour to list of probable expert parody-trolls: lectro, BKF, pour, caturday, TAB, palma?
 
bigdoublezero said:
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pourdeac said:
Yeah...seriously. Do you even realize the definitions of "poverty" are that different? Apparently not....and yeah it's mind blowing and hard to grasp.

I saw a recent study on the emerging Middle Class that defined it as $3,000 to $60,000. Think about that one.
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I just thought about it. It's fucking stupid and clearly was put out there by someone with the equally stupid agenda of trying to redefine what "poor" is in this country.
 
jhmd2000 said:
In terms of specifics, a system that cares about the people it is supposed to help would not send "A" amount of aid blindly. It would have a case manager that would get to know the people on the receiving end of the aid, and establish conditions that would help the recipient improve their prospects of getting off of that aid. Sure, no one should starve, but to continue to remain eligible for the hedge against falling through the cracks, there should be some expectation (which can and should be tweaked on a case-by-case basis, depending on whether or not THIS single mother could run an at-home daycare, or whether or not she should do something else that would help bring in a little income but more importantly re-build the bridge back into the workforce in some capacity). Frankly, the more a person does for themselves, the better their aid should be. I can't imagine anyone arguing with that, unless you truly don't believe the person is capable of providing for themselves in any way (which I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to say outloud).
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Agreed. I also have the same concern as others with army of social workers required to implement this plan.
 
DeacMan said:
FWIW, the Top 1% in 2011 was anyone making about $390,000 in taxable income or more. Those individuals paid almost 36% of all income taxes in the U.S. in that year. They earned about 19% of the income.
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BOOO f'ing hooo.

"Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/exclusive-4-5-us-face-near-poverty-no-work-0
 
DeacMan said:
Uh, o.k. All I did was post a fact. I would have actually expected the Top 1% to be anyone making far less than 400K in taxable income.
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Sorry. Normally someone has an agenda when they post the percentage of taxes paid by the wealthy.
 
Just to get a small idea of what some of these kids go through, check out the movie Short Term 12.
 
DeacMan said:
FWIW, the Top 1% in 2011 was anyone making about $390,000 in taxable income or more. Those individuals paid almost 36% of all income taxes in the U.S. in that year. They earned about 19% of the income.
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Do you think someone who makes $250K is rich?
 
Do you envy someone who makes $250K? Don't you just hate such a person? Walkin' around like they own the place... Take a gun, stick to that man's head, and level the playing field.
 
Again, no solutions from the usuals except stick/carrot schemes and finding reasons to pull aid.

Not a word about job creation or how to fix jack shit. That would take more money out of their pockets than funding welfare out of their tax dollars. Science.
 
Such a violent response to a simple question.
 
PhDeac said:
Do you think someone who makes $250K is rich?
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They are in the Top 5% of all earners.

But rich is situational. I think of the rich as people who can choose not to work because they are set financially. Could they be rich? Absolutely. But if you are pulling in 250K, sitting on tons of student loans, trying to care for a family of five, etc. you aren't feeling "rich". You are, however, in an awesome position to get there.
 
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