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BBall Recruiting Megathread - Crawford, Moore, & Collins ALL TO WAKE!

DCDeac said:
I'm assuming that a top 100 point guard with plenty of excellent options is much easier to encourage an exit. After all, Mitchell requested his release. You think there is any way Manning could convince Rondale Watson that requesting a release from Wake Forest is in his best interest?

Or do you think Manning actually values Rondale more than Mitchell?

I could definitely be wrong but I don't think Wake can legally revoke Rondale's scholarship offer short of conduct or grades.
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I don't think there's evidence to support either of your hypothetical scenarios, but I think it's safe to say that Chill went to bat for his recruit.

Regarding the latter, I honestly don't know the rule that well, but it happens.
 
DCDeac said:
This seems like [name redacted] fucking us from the grave, not Manning fucking us out of some desperate need to sign benchwarmers.
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For sure. I definitely don't blame the Rondale signing on Manning. I just wish that whatever tough love he served to Shelton worked to make Rondale decommit, too.
 
When Larry Brown arrived at SMU he cleaned house. Got rid of something like 3-4 scholarship players and look at SMU now. There is precedent for revoking scholarships.
 
RJKarl said:
Shelton decommitting is greatly different than taking Rondale's scholarship away from him. Shelton decided he didn't want to play at Wake. We did the honorable thing. Stealing Rondale's scholarship would not be honorable.

I'm 99% certain we can't back out of a signed LOI due to a coaching change or change of mind on the school's part. The kid is at your school for that year if he wants to be.

I think once Rondale confirmed his desire to stay his desire to graduate from Wake became likely. Nothing we've seen from him makes one think he believes he has a future in pro ball.
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Yeah, I get this. It happens a lot, however, to the point where there has to be some legal way to go about it. If accounts are to be believed, then Manning basically did just that to Shelton.

And Rondale had choices. I'm sure Marshall, East Tennessee State and Charleston Southern, etc. would love to have him whether it be this year or in the future.
 
CHillDeac said:
When Larry Brown arrived at SMU he cleaned house. Got rid of something like 3-4 scholarship players and look at SMU now. There is precedent for revoking scholarships.
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we aren't looking to SMU for precedence
 
CHillDeac said:
When Larry Brown arrived at SMU he cleaned house. Got rid of something like 3-4 scholarship players and look at SMU now. There is precedent for revoking scholarships.
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But not before the kid is on campus. By that reading, iirc, we are committed to Rondale through his freshman year.
 
TownieDeac said:
we aren't looking to SMU for precedence
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But you'd rather bitch and squeal about a coach that has been on the job for less than two months and his rumored signing of one player that according to several, will fuck us for years!
 
Strickland33 said:
Yeah, I get this. It happens a lot, however, to the point where there has to be some legal way to go about it. If accounts are to be believed, then Manning basically did just that to Shelton.

And Rondale had choices. I'm sure Marshall, East Tennessee State and Charleston Southern, etc. would love to have him whether it be this year or in the future.
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I'm 99% certain the only way (barring fraud) out in such situations is to convince the player to leave. Once both parties sign, only by mutual agreement can either party get out of an LOI.
 
me? where have i done that?

i'm actually in the camp of giving manning the benefit of the doubt!
 
TownieDeac said:
we aren't looking to SMU for precedence
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Do you not see the ethical quandry of actively facilitating a situation where you sign bad players and force them out for better talent?

That's the recruiting lesson from the Buzz-era, btw.
 
I'm not happy about a rumored Hudson signing, but I feel like some of you have developed a coach blood lust after all the [Redacted] years. This doesn't impact our long term rebuild. 2016 is still the end all be all. We still have all the schollies in the world in 2016. Our team for the the first two years of the Manning regime was largely already built (lots of players without better options). He still hasn't coached a game or had a chance to recruit a normal cycle.
 
RJKarl said:
I'm 99% certain the only way (barring fraud) out in such situations is to convince the player to leave. Once both parties sign, only by mutual agreement can either party get out of an LOI.
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That's what I'm talking about and why I referred to Shelton. Read my other posts.
 
CHillDeac said:
When Larry Brown arrived at SMU he cleaned house. Got rid of something like 3-4 scholarship players and look at SMU now. There is precedent for revoking scholarships.
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Uh, Larry Brown cut the players but had to let them keep their scholarships and was absolutely panned in the press for it. He basically told those guys to go fuck themselves. That's what we want?
 
Strickland33 said:
Do you not see the ethical quandry of actively facilitating a situation where you sign bad players and force them out for better talent?

That's the recruiting lesson from the Buzz-era, btw.
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haha of course i do!

wtf are y'all coming from?
 
CHillDeac said:
But you'd rather bitch and squeal about a coach that has been on the job for less than two months and his rumored signing of one player that according to several, will fuck us for years!
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It's one thing to take a flyer on a player when you have 3-5 scholarships open to recruit to fill for the next year. It's another world when it leaves you with only one and you need at least two specific types of players.

It also could divide the team. It's one thing to bring in a star. It's another to bring in someone no other big time school wants.
 
DCDeac said:
Uh, Larry Brown cut the players but had to let them keep their scholarships and was absolutely panned in the press for it. He basically told those guys to go fuck themselves. That's what we want?
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I'm not gonna lie - every one of Buzz's transfers felt like that and we definitely don't want that.

And to FYC - get off it. This isn't a coach hating conspiracy. There's enough of a question around Manning as a recruiter to make a Hudson-esque signing disturbing.

I'd rather us builds a program than be a DLeague team for mid and low major programs.
 
Since this has been going on for almost 24 hours and no one at Wake has said anything about it, t looks a lot like the last time Hudson announced he was going to Wake (and like he announced he was going to LSU).

Plus hasn't summer school started? Why isn't he there? If Manning really wanted him, he'd have signed by now.

I'm putting the chance of him be a Deac at less than 50/50.
 
We will have to hold scholarships from the 2016 class to rebalance. That is an undeniable truth. That makes getting the right 2014 and 2015 players to make up for the #'s shortfall so critical.
 
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