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bobknightfan said:
My point is that unless WF is willing to throw academics out the window and go "all-in" with "academic exceptions" (read: 1 & 2-year players who will just be making "pit stops" at Wake) it is never going to do diddley-squat in ACC basketball again. If that is what some people want, that's fine....but that price is too high for me. I will never waste my time pulling for or caring about teams that try to win that way.
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You already don't care about Wake Forest basketball, so why pretend like Wake going that way would make any kind of impact on your fandom what-so-ever? Stop yelling at clouds.
 
Ya thanks birdman for the clarification. I certainly want as many good BB recruits as we can get. Beggars (or shitty teams) can't be choosers, so to speak. I mean, yes, we should be selective (sorry Rondale), but you want as much great talent as you can get. My over-arching point is that, assuming Murray isn't a realistic target, should we really take Ellison for fear of losing out on Kwe Parker? I'm more or less wondering out loud if having 4 guards essentially (including Hudson) committed for 2016 and beyond already will hurt our chances with targets like Ellison & Murray and perhaps Parker down the road.

Many think that getting Chill & Parker will really enhance our chances with Giles, but I'm not so sure. I think Giles is gonna do simply what he wants regardless of how many close friends wind up at a certain school. But if we have a legit shot with Murray (I'm not sure we do), then I think I'd be willing to sacrifice Parker and Ellison knowing we'll have Crawford, Murray, Chill, Mitchell and Hudson to round out the minute distribution at the 1, 2 & 3. Of course if Giles comes to Wake, then he's your 3 for 38 mins per game and Hudson and Mitchell are battling for P/T IMO.

As we know, Danny will play the guys who give him the best chance to win regardless of class or experience. However, on the plus side, Danny seems to want depth and a healthy rotation of 8-10 guys if he can get it.
 
KitchinDeac said:


When has having too many good players at a position ever been a problem anywhere? Especially in college basketball. If you have three great guards you play three guards. If you have three great wings, you play them with a point and one big. Already having a good player or two at a position should never be a reason to turn down a good player. Especially for a program coming off 5 seasons in the cellar.
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seriously. College bball teams can look unconventional as hell and still have a ton of success if the coach knows how to take advantage of the personnel he has. Nova used to start 4 guards and a big.
 
bobknightfan said:
My point is that unless WF is willing to throw academics out the window and go "all-in" with "academic exceptions" (read: 1 & 2-year players who will just be making "pit stops" at Wake) it is never going to do diddley-squat in ACC basketball again.
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The ACC regular season winner each of the past two years begs to differ.
 
birdman said:
It looks to me like the worry is not about having too many good guards but about not being able to land good guard talet (new recruits) because we already have too many on the roster. Kids many prefer to go elsewhere where there is better potential for playing time.
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scooter84 said:
On topic or off, you are simply wrong on this one.
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Wake's run of success leading up to the [Redacted] hiring had them as one of the top teams in the ACC and country over a span of multiple decades. The shit-stain of the [Redacted] years is a blip, an anomoly. Most of us understand that, but contrary to reality, BobbyKnightFan thinks [Redacted] was one of the best coaches ever to grace the WFU sidelines, so if we couldn't win big with [Redacted], we'll never win big again. Unfortunately for BKF, he's old and senile...and wrong.
 
birdman said:
It looks to me like the worry is not about having too many good guards but about not being able to land good guard talet (new recruits) because we already have too many on the roster. Kids many prefer to go elsewhere where there is better potential for playing time.
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I'm not sure how this applies to Wake right now. We don't have any sure things who would scare of a top recruit.
 
bobknightfan said:
My point is that unless WF is willing to throw academics out the window and go "all-in" with "academic exceptions" (read: 1 & 2-year players who will just be making "pit stops" at Wake) it is never going to do diddley-squat in ACC basketball again. If that is what some people want, that's fine....but that price is too high for me. I will never waste my time pulling for or caring about teams that try to win that way.
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Is that what UVA has done?
 
Was there anything in this year's versions of the Louisville, Notre Dame, UNC, UVA, and State teams that seems impossible for Wake to build in the future? We might never field a team like Duke currently has, but the rest are utterly attainable. Not sure where the Wake Simply Can't Compete In The New ACC nonsense comes from. Just have a competent coach stack three good recruiting classes together.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
Was there anything in this year's versions of the Louisville, Notre Dame, UNC, UVA, and State teams that seems impossible for Wake to build in the future? We might never field a team like Duke currently has, but the rest are utterly attainable. Not sure where the Wake Simply Can't Compete In The New ACC nonsense comes from. Just have a competent coach stack three good recruiting classes together.
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If we can win a football championship in a 12-team ACC, we certainly win a basketball championship/
 
BiffTannen said:
That can work when they're tall and you have a legit big man, the way ND is running things right now. They have Auguste at 6'10", three 2/3's who are 6'5", and a good pg.
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A good 3 guard set will win us A LOT of games. It likely won't win us an ACC championship or anything, I guess that depends on how good they are, but we're trying to crawl out of the cellar, not compete for a title tomorrow. Will 3 guard sets eventually lead to bad match ups? Of course. Will they be streaky on offense? Most likely. But if we can lock down 3 solid guards, we will win a lot more games than we have been --> which will get us more exposure --> which will get us more versatile recruits. At this point, I feel like we have to do whatever it takes to get more W's, even if it means sacrificing a few potentially bad match ups.

Also, I'm sure Manning knows that talented guards are a big man's best friend. See Eric Williams. Last year we could barely get the ball close enough for an entry, let alone draw defenders and dish. When you look back at what seems like a century ago to the Teague, Aminu, Johnson days, it wasn't lights out shooting or inherently dominant low post play, it was the ability for everyone on the court to draw defenders and either hit a floater or dish to an open man. I, for one, welcome our new guard overlords.
 
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