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Taking a Look at Duke's FB Prgram

TheReff said:
Not always. There are some on Duke's team that we would not let in that Duke did. We are our own worst enemy. Plus they have classes & majors they can go to. When our athletes start flocking to something, the faculty wants to shut that one down and keep them out.
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Communications is still a major. Try again.
 
TheReff said:
Just from what I heard from those I know very close to the program over the last 4-6 years. They continued to recruit a top flight athlete from out here in Davie who had to go junior college long after we pulled off of him.
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In other words, you don't have any actual evidence to back up your assertion.
 
So TheReff's evidence that Duke takes kids regardless of their grades is a kid Duke didn't take because of his grades.
 
Every school has a certain number of exceptions that can be admitted. This goes for the general population of students also. The problem is once they are admitted they have to stay eligible. Many times the coaches will pass because they do not think they can keep a kid in school.
 
Did yall notice how mighty #23 ranked/#3 ESPN Power Poll darling Duke is an underdog at 3-4 VT tomorrow? Are the people behind these polls taking out loans and going to the betting windows with wheelbarrows of cash? I guess so since it opened at 6 and is now down to 3.
 
Duke's best win as of right now is over a 2-5 GT team.

The way the conference schedule works out is really unfair now. You have Miami playing Clemson and FSU in the Atlantic while Duke plays Wake and BC. That's a potential two game swing that a team will have to overcome.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Name the players.
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"Davie County wideout Joe Watson has committed to the Blue Devils" Salisbury Record

Scout TV--"Here are junior season highlights of Mocksville (N.C.) Davie County wide receiver and Duke commitment Joe Watson."

Watson was a two-sport athlete at Catawba College. He is coming off his redshirt sophomore year in football and baseball. The 6-3, 215-pounder from Advance was a 12th-round choice by the Rangers. He was the 366th player selected. - See more at: http://www.ourdavie.com/2014/06/12/watson-drafted-by-rangers-in-12th-round/#sthash.vD0sZQUc.dpuf
 
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ChrisL68 said:
Duke's best win as of right now is over a 2-5 GT team.

The way the conference schedule works out is really unfair now. You have Miami playing Clemson and FSU in the Atlantic while Duke plays Wake and BC. That's a potential two game swing that a team will have to overcome.
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While it is unbalanced at the top right now, the overall balance of the 2 divisions has the Coastal division as the side that is better overall. If you look at the Sagarin rankings for this week, the ACC-Coastal division is listed as the #6 division at a 76.89 power ranking and the ACC Atlantic is listed at # 10 with a 74.48 power ranking. The SEC West is #1 at 84.44, with the Big 12 at #2 at 80.00. The SEC East is #5 at 77.03. So our Atlantic division has some very weak teams dragging us down comparatively.
 
TheReff said:
While it is unbalanced at the top right now, the overall balance of the 2 divisions has the Coastal division as the side that is better overall. If you look at the Sagarin rankings for this week, the ACC-Coastal division is listed as the #6 division at a 76.89 power ranking and the ACC Atlantic is listed at # 10 with a 74.48 power ranking. The SEC West is #1 at 84.44, with the Big 12 at #2 at 80.00. The SEC East is #5 at 77.03. So our Atlantic division has some very weak teams dragging us down comparatively.
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I am not sure what this post has to do with the scheduling disparity of two teams from the 'better" division (which is absurd), one of which plays 2 top-10 teams, and the other plays 2 barely top-100 teams.
 
bcobbdeacs said:
Every school has a certain number of exceptions that can be admitted. This goes for the general population of students also. The problem is once they are admitted they have to stay eligible. Many times the coaches will pass because they do not think they can keep a kid in school.
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bcobb, part of our big problem that surfaced around the time of our high light years of 2006-2008 was that our admissions office changed how we did the private schools. Places like the Bolles School where we had done so well recruiting in Florida. Those schools send almost all of their kids to 4 year colleges and are highly academic high schools--much more so than the regular public schools most anywhere. Well, Wake, in our infinite wisdom, already had in place an admission standard of top 10% of the class. Private schools like the Bolles Schools and the above mentioned Gulliver Prep do not have class ranks for their students. Our admissions department now treats all those kids as academic exceptions and as you stated, we only get so many a year and they get spread among all the sports now, not just to football & basketball like back in the day. So we have made this impossible on ourselves when kids like a Riley Skinner for instance would now be a possible exception just because the school does not have a class ranking.
 
TheReff said:
bcobb, part of our big problem that surfaced around the time of our high light years of 2006-2008 was that our admissions office changed how we did the private schools. Places like the Bolles School where we had done so well recruiting in Florida. Those schools send almost all of their kids to 4 year colleges and are highly academic high schools--much more so than the regular public schools most anywhere. Well, Wake, in our infinite wisdom, already had in place an admission standard of top 10% of the class. Private schools like the Bolles Schools and the above mentioned Gulliver Prep do not have class ranks for their students. Our admissions department now treats all those kids as academic exceptions and as you stated, we only get so many a year and they get spread among all the sports now, not just to football & basketball like back in the day. So we have made this impossible on ourselves when kids like a Riley Skinner for instance would now be a possible exception just because the school does not have a class ranking.
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just simply false
 
What are the general academic standards for WFU recruits? Top third of high school class? 1000 SAT? How do our standards differ from Duke and other ACC schools ? How man exceptions per year do we get in football ? Basketball?
 
TheReff said:
bcobb, part of our big problem that surfaced around the time of our high light years of 2006-2008 was that our admissions office changed how we did the private schools. Places like the Bolles School where we had done so well recruiting in Florida. Those schools send almost all of their kids to 4 year colleges and are highly academic high schools--much more so than the regular public schools most anywhere. Well, Wake, in our infinite wisdom, already had in place an admission standard of top 10% of the class. Private schools like the Bolles Schools and the above mentioned Gulliver Prep do not have class ranks for their students. Our admissions department now treats all those kids as academic exceptions and as you stated, we only get so many a year and they get spread among all the sports now, not just to football & basketball like back in the day. So we have made this impossible on ourselves when kids like a Riley Skinner for instance would now be a possible exception just because the school does not have a class ranking.
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hoo boy
 
Wake is choosy about exceptions because Wake is a tough school and we don't take it easy on our athletes. We give them plenty of advantages over regular students, including free tutors and other help outside the classroom. But the simplest classes at Wake are still pretty tough, and staying qualified at Wake is a lot harder than staying qualified at Duke, or especially UNC. That they're our peer institutions in state regarding academic quality is a sad reflection of the NCAA's actual commitment to ensuring student-athletes get a good education during their time in school.

As for getting in to Wake, there are not minimum thresholds. Nor have there ever been. Every admission is considered holistically at Wake. Has been since before 2000.
 
Back in those days it seemed like every recruit offered by Wake had an offer from Vandy.
 
Some of what Reff has said is indeed accurate. Can't pull the exact numbers off of the top of my head, but we are our own worst enemy sometimes regarding admissions and student-athletes. We are self-limited to the number of exceptions we can take per year. Other schools (Duke) are not.
 
Enough whining about academic standards. We are consistently losing every recruiting battle with Duke.
 
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