Ongoing NC GOP debacle thread

[Say Hey Deac]

Most of the people I have talked to who have issue with the Charlotte bathroom law were not concerned about the transgender population but the population of straight male perverts who would use the law to get into the women's restroom. Their thinking is that under the current law not a lot of men who look like men can claim to have any reason or right to be in the women's restroom, their concerns are that the straight male pervs can just claim to identify as a women and legally be in the women's restroom.

I realize you're merely pointing out someone else's concern, but it's important to know that laws already exist for (1) peeping on another person in a bathroom and (2) indecent exposure, and both would be applicable in the case of male perv in a female bathroom.

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

I realize you're merely pointing out someone else's concern, but it's important to know that laws already exist for (1) peeping on another person in a bathroom and (2) indecent exposure, and both would be applicable in the case of male perv in a female bathroom.

I think the thought is (and it isn't my thought but what others have said) that if you send your 6/7/8 year old daughter into the McD's restroom now and some dude runs in there, then everyone outside the bathroom knows that something is going on and reacts accordingly to get him out before the peeping or exposure happens. If the same dude goes in there under the CLT ordinance, then he gets the benefit of the doubt that he can be in there.

 

[PhDeac]

No. It's the opposite. Under the CLT ordinance, people would see he doesn't identify as a woman and be suspicious. Now people give him the benefit of the doubt that he was born with a vagina.

 

[Deacfreak07]

I think the thought is (and it isn't my thought but what others have said) that if you send your 6/7/8 year old daughter into the McD's restroom now and some dude runs in there, then everyone outside the bathroom knows that something is going on and reacts accordingly to get him out before the peeping or exposure happens. If the same dude goes in there under the CLT ordinance, then he gets the benefit of the doubt that he can be in there.

:squint: does this scenario really make sense to you?

 

[Deacsfan27]

I think the thought is (and it isn't my thought but what others have said) that if you send your 6/7/8 year old daughter into the McD's restroom now and some dude runs in there, then everyone outside the bathroom knows that something is going on and reacts accordingly to get him out before the peeping or exposure happens. If the same dude goes in there under the CLT ordinance, then he gets the benefit of the doubt that he can be in there.

What about 6/7/8 year old boys? Aren't they under the same issue with men now?

 

[RChildress107]

No. It's the opposite. Under the CLT ordinance, people would see he doesn't identify as a woman and be suspicious. Now people give him the benefit of the doubt that he was born with a vagina.

1000X this. I'm really not sure how many times this will need to be said before it starts to sink in. The only explanation for people being unable to grasp this concept is a fundamental lack of knowledge on what it means to be transgender.

 

[RChildress107]

I think the thought is (and it isn't my thought but what others have said) that if you send your 6/7/8 year old daughter into the McD's restroom now and some dude runs in there, then everyone outside the bathroom knows that something is going on and reacts accordingly to get him out before the peeping or exposure happens. If the same dude goes in there under the CLT ordinance, then he gets the benefit of the doubt that he can be in there.

Maybe you could flesh out exactly how you see that working. A man walking into a bathroom and declaring "I identify as a woman" doesn't make him transgender (and thus protected under the statute) any more than me walking into a room and declaring "I am black" actually makes me black.

 

[DistrictDeacon]

Maybe you could flesh out exactly how you see that working. A man walking into a bathroom and declaring "I identify as a woman" doesn't make him transgender (and thus protected under the statute) any more than me walking into a room and declaring "I am black" actually makes me black.

A little shoe polish and you could pass.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

1000X this. I'm really not sure how many times this will need to be said before it starts to sink in. The only explanation for people being unable to grasp this concept is a fundamental lack of knowledge on what it means to be transgender.

Eh, maybe. The assholes supporting this bill aren't going to be convinced by a dress and a little rouge. They don't give a fuck about transgender people, they want to keep penises out of women's rooms at all costs. Think of it as conservatives making women's restrooms "Penis Free Zones". Should definitely work, right? To prevent people without penises from being attacked by people with penises. Very smart idea, should work great.

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[myDeaconmyhand]

The reason that you know this isn't a transgender issue is because not a single politician has mentioned keeping trans men out of the men's room. If BKF has a nephew or great- grandson, he sure doesn't give a fuck about their bathroom privacy.

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[Deadbolt]

Not to rural voters. His entrenched response to the backlash from big business and other politicians allows Ol' Pat to tap into some of the Drumpf anti-establishment animus.

Pat can't be bought ! He's protecting our kids from PC !

Pols have been very good fostering resentment from rural towns towards the cities. The reaction in all these rural areas to Charlotte losing jobs is "Good. Fuck Charlotte." These people are angry from industries leaving town two decades ago and nothing taking their place, and politicians have been very effective at directing that anger towards so called "elites."

 

[BarcaDeac]

Pols have been very good fostering resentment from rural towns towards the cities. The reaction in all these rural areas to Charlotte losing jobs is "Good. Fuck Charlotte." These people are angry from industries leaving town two decades ago and nothing taking their place, and politicians have been very effective at directing that anger towards so called "elites."

wonder if they're Panthers fans

 

[Deacfreak07]

This seems a little convenient. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article70722207.html

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

Maybe you could flesh out exactly how you see that working. A man walking into a bathroom and declaring "I identify as a woman" doesn't make him transgender (and thus protected under the statute) any more than me walking into a room and declaring "I am black" actually makes me black.

I don't think most people care about or want to think about what makes someone transgender. What if he/she is just not playing dress-up that day? Does he/she go into the mens room or the ladies room?
I worked with a transgender dude for a few years. He would dress like a dude to work during the week (other than the painted nails), but at night and weekends he would dress as "Tara" (which freaked the fuck out of the real Tara in the office who he wanted to be, but that is a different story). So he is a dude who identifies more as a woman, but is dressing like a dude. So which one is he supposed to go into at work? My thought would be the men's room, which is what he did do. And shockingly nobody was waiting in there to beat the shit out of him for all those years. But you propose he go into the women's room dressed like a dude because he more identified as a woman?
How is the actual lady in the ladies' room supposed to know that the person dressed as a dude in there identifies more as a woman and that is why he is in there?

 

[Deacfreak07]

 

[DeacHead]

Seems like Bruce doesn't think these are just "boys playing dress up".

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

I almost pulled the trigger on some tickets yesterday on the secondary market. Glad I didn't, that would have sucked.

 

[ThinkingWithMyDeac]

Some New Jersey Yankee canceling a show isn't going to move the needle for the redneck contingent that support this law.

 

[Ball State Deac]

Most of the people I have talked to who have issue with the Charlotte bathroom law were not concerned about the transgender population but the population of straight male perverts who would use the law to get into the women's restroom. Their thinking is that under the current law not a lot of men who look like men can claim to have any reason or right to be in the women's restroom, their concerns are that the straight male pervs can just claim to identify as a women and legally be in the women's restroom.

I am personally more concerned about everyone losing the right to sue their employer for discrimination in state court.

Would seem that concern can be addressed by people using some common sense when they see someone that looks like a dude walk into the women's room. It is not like it would be legal to sit in there and perv just because you say you identify as a woman. Now we can see someone that looks like a dude walk into the women's room and it is not only legal, it is required.

 

[ChrisL68]

Some New Jersey Yankee canceling a show isn't going to move the needle for the redneck contingent that support this law.

Exactly. Pretty lame to cancel this close to the show. You probably have people who already started hitting the road (flights) from other destinations to get to Greensboro to see this show.