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General Election Thread: Two Weeks Out

MysteryMen said:
I thought conservatives were all about the free market. Why not let anyone who wants to come in and the best people will get the jobs?
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Trump is not a conservative - I keep saying this. Yes, conservatives are about the free market and free trade. That's why they're aghast at Trump's hijacking of the Pub party. That and his foreign policy views. George Will had a column yesterday slamming him on Russia. That you have a Pub nominee who is openly questioning NATO while speaking positively about Putin makes folks like Will apoplectic.
 
BTW, if it turns out that the whole Trump campaign is yet another buckets parody / troll job, Trump insisting Khan had "no right" to say he hasn't read the constitution was truly a work of art.
 
cville deac said:
Trump is not a conservative - I keep saying this. Yes, conservatives are about the free market and free trade. That's why they're aghast at Trump's hijacking of the Pub party. That and his foreign policy views. George Will had a column yesterday slamming him on Russia. That you have a Pub nominee who is openly questioning NATO while speaking positively about Putin makes folks like Will apoplectic.
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Modern conservatives care about white identity politics...the people who actually care about free market principles are either scattered to the wind or calling themselves Libertarians these days.
 
Deadbolt said:
Modern conservatives care about white identity politics...the people who actually care about free market principles are either scattered to the wind or calling themselves Libertarians these days.
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Here's a good article about white identity politics tracing it back to a revisionist history of the Goldwater movement.
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy

The available evidence compiled by historians and political scientists suggests that 1964 really was a pivotal political moment, in exactly the way Roy describes.


Yet Republican intellectuals have long denied this, fabricating a revisionist history in which Republicans were and always have been the party of civil rights. In 2012, National Review ran a lengthy cover story arguing that the standard history recounted by Roy was “popular but indefensible.”


This revisionism, according to Roy, points to a much bigger conservative delusion: They cannot admit that their party’s voters are motivated far more by white identity politics than by conservative ideals.


“Conservative intellectuals, and conservative politicians, have been in kind of a bubble,” Roy says. “We’ve had this view that the voters were with us on conservatism — philosophical, economic conservatism. In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”
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“It’s the power of wishful thinking. None of us want to accept that opposition to civil rights is the legacy that we’ve inherited,” Roy says.

He expands on this idea: “It’s a common observation on the left, but it’s an observation that a lot of us on the right genuinely believed wasn’t true — which is that conservatism has become, and has been for some time, much more about white identity politics than it has been about conservative political philosophy. I think today, even now, a lot of conservatives have not come to terms with that problem.”

This, Roy believes, is where the conservative intellectual class went astray. By refusing to admit the truth about their own party, they were powerless to stop the forces that led to Donald Trump’s rise. They told themselves, over and over again, that Goldwater’s victory was a triumph.

But in reality, it created the conditions under which Trump could thrive. Trump’s politics of aggrieved white nationalism — labeling black people criminals, Latinos rapists, and Muslims terrorists — succeeded because the party’s voting base was made up of the people who once opposed civil rights.

“[Trump] tapped into something that was latent in the Republican Party and conservative movement — but a lot of people in the conservative movement didn’t notice,” Roy concludes, glumly.
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MysteryMen said:
I thought conservatives were all about the free market. Why not let anyone who wants to come in and the best people will get the jobs?
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If the nation let in a million people who could do your job I doubt you'd be too happy with the result.
 
deacvision7 said:
Man, that would be a really selective 1 million people immigrating to our country at once. I wouldn't even be mad.
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Of course you wouldn't. It wouldn't be your job and livelihood at risk. That's the problem with immigration- as long as it's other native born Americans being harmed you and others are happy to be sanctimonious about it. And generally it's the lower educated, less skilled Americans that are displaced or see their already meager earnings fall. The most vulnerable Americans are the ones who tend to bear the brunt of immigration.
 
Of course it's not only lower skilled, less educated Americans who are being negatively impacted.
 
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Roger Stone
‏@RogerJStoneJr
Mr. Khan more than an aggrieved father of a Muslim son- he's Muslim Brotherhood agent helping Hillary

Long-time Trump advisor

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...zr_khan_is_a_muslim_brotherhood_saboteur.html
 
I gotta say, Bob 2's recent posting, despite being woefully misguided, had been incredibly impressive. No breaks, all hours of the day, weekends -- just constant, fevered, frenzied posting. He's like those kids in Korea who play video games for 80 hours straight and then just die from too much video games. Imagine if he channeled that energy and willpower for something positive and/or correct -- he could be a God.
 
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