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Obama is leaving a Democratic Party in shambles

Deacfreak07 said:
What the Democratic Party really needs to do is launch a thorough investigation into why they lost. Set some priorities and follow that plan. The republicans did this in 2012, and it paid off big time. Just revisit the 2012 autopsy, and you can see how they addressed their issues and won in 2016.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/6-big-takeaways-from-the-rnc-s-incredible-2012-autopsy
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While I'd love to credit the Republican Party with a masterfully skillful job of winning back the White House, that's not close to accurate.

On what evidence do we consider Donald Trump to be a "Republican"? The lesson of 2016 is that both parties are wildly out of touch.
 
jhmd2000 said:
While I'd love to credit the Republican Party with a masterfully skillful job of winning back the White House, that's not close to accurate.

On what evidence do we consider Donald Trump to be a "Republican"? The lesson of 2016 is that both parties are wildly out of touch.
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Nah man, one party won everything. They have to be in touch. Reince came up with this winning strategy and now he is Chief of Staff.
 
TownieDeac said:
The name next to "Republican" on a hundred million or so ballots. Under President.
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I can put a 26.2 mile sticker on my Prius, but that doesn't mean I ran a marathon (no offense, df07).
 
TownieDeac said:
The name next to "Republican" on a hundred million or so ballots. Under President.
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He is a third party candidate. The only way a third party party candidate can win an election is to win the nomination as one of the two major party candidates. Bernie got it too just sucks too much to win.
 
TownieDeac said:
The name next to "Republican" on a hundred million or so ballots. Under President.
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He was nominated to represent the Republican Party, and it wasn't even close. The GOP trotted out a full field of their best and brightest and he kicked their asses. Then he won it all.
 
DEACisGO said:
He is a third party candidate. The only way a third party party candidate can win an election is to win the nomination as one of the two major party candidates. Bernie got it too just sucks too much to win.
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That's exactly right.
 
Just get a Dem who isn't a crook, who isn't a puppet of Wall Street and doesn't have a history of stabbing working Americans in the back, who doesn't go overboard with blatant pandering...who can that be?
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Just get a Dem who isn't a crook, who isn't a puppet of Wall Street and doesn't have a history of stabbing working Americans in the back, who doesn't go overboard with blatant pandering...who can that be?
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Someone calling Trump to concede. I think plama is likely right about celebrity too. Trump was inevitable. We just all failed to see it.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I agree that your message isn't resonating in your base as it much as it once was. We disagree about whether or not you should determine why this is happening.
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Forgive me if I don't have confidence in your temperature taking of the Dem base, a Dem base which outvotes Republicans every presidential election, often times by millions. The urban/rural divide of voters gives the Republican party an advantage at nearly every level of government from the Electoral college to PTA boards.
 
DEACisGO said:
He is a third party candidate. The only way a third party party candidate can win an election is to win the nomination as one of the two major party candidates. Bernie got it too just sucks too much to win.
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Well said....and he's changed American politics in a major way.
 
Clinton was a terrible candidate. You folks keep trying to convince yourselves that other people would have lost to Trump but no way. You chose someone with all that baggage, who had spent decades alienating working Americans, who was under FBI investigation, and you figured, "It'll be okay. She's a Clinton." Dumb. You chose the worst Dem candidate imaginable. You lost to Donald Freakin Trump.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Forgive me if I don't have confidence in your temperature taking of the Dem base, a Dem base which outvotes Republicans every presidential election, often times by millions. The urban/rural divide of voters gives the Republican party an advantage at nearly every level of government from the Electoral college to PTA clubs.
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What's the point of having principles if you can't win. Give me more Alinskies all day.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Forgive me if I don't have confidence in your temperature taking of the Dem base, a Dem base which outvotes Republicans every presidential election, often times by millions. The urban/rural divide of voters gives the Republican party an advantage at nearly every level of government from the Electoral college to PTA boards.
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So you're going to blame this on the urban/rural divide? Who created and fostered this growing divide? I don't think calling rural people deplorables/racists, and pledging to end their jobs ASAP was a very paper clip thing to do. If that's growing the tent, I'm curious what the next move will be.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Clinton was a terrible candidate. You folks keep trying to convince yourselves that other people would have lost to Trump but no way. You chose someone with all that baggage, who had spent decades alienating working Americans, who was under FBI investigation, and you figured, "It'll be okay. She's a Clinton." Dumb. You chose the worst Dem candidate imaginable. You lost to Donald Freakin Trump.
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But if Hillary hadn't been just about written in stone from the beginning, with all of those obvious problems, and someone else reasonable and someone not calling everyone else names was the nominee, then why would Trump have run?
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Clinton was a terrible candidate. You folks keep trying to convince yourselves that other people would have lost to Trump but no way. You chose someone with all that baggage, who had spent decades alienating working Americans, who was under FBI investigation, and you figured, "It'll be okay. She's a Clinton." Dumb. You chose the worst Dem candidate imaginable. You lost to Donald Freakin Trump.
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You were right, man. There was definitely a silent majority that really wanted Donald Trump. There was a supremacy narrative there, and I don't use that term entirely to connote racism, xenophobia, etc. He sold an American supremacy narrative, and a bunch of people bought it for whatever reasons mattered to them. Whether it was the supremacy of American labor, military, etc. That message resonated.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
What's the point of having principles if you can't win. Give me more Alinskies all day.
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I think Democrats are capable of reaching out to and inspiring blue collar white voters with a more populist economic agenda, without compromising the current social-justice agenda. I don't believe that we are too liberal, and I don't believe blue collar whites are racist, I just believe that many white people are single issue voters who vote for the economic rhetoric that inspires them most.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Well, you've said one unimpeachable thing today. You are truly the party of the minorities. In this case, the Minority Leader in the House, the Minority Leader in the Senate, a minority of governorships, a minority of State legislatures....
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Speaking of this, did the board liberals even read the actual numbers in the OP regarding how much ground the Democratic Party has lost nationwide at every level of government during the eight years that Obama has been president? That was supposed to be the premise for this entire thread before it veered completely off course.
 
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