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Official Russian Election Interference Thread

birdman said:
I do not think it would be acceptable for the current US president to be allocating government resources to help protect a political party from cyber attacks. Government employees are technically not even allowed to express political opinions while on the job, so how on earth could they be using government resources to protect the DNC. Nice try, but you're not going to pin this on Obama.
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You mean that it is not the job of the government to prevent foreign interference in our elections? You might want to reconsider that.
 
"Originally Posted by BobStackFan4Life View Post
Wikileaks has a 100% accuracy rate- not a single one of the documents they have released have been shown to be fake. Furthermore, Wikileaks have released hundreds of thousands of secret documents that were given to them by people opposed to Putin and were meant to make Putin look bad."


ImTheCaptain said:
two things:

1. wikileaks leaks what they want to leak and nothing more
2. why only "leak" documents for selected parties
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Plus they can only "leak" what they have been given. They have no idea if the materials have been tampered with. It's impossible for them to know.

Opponents and journalists who have pissed off Putin don't have a long life expectancy. Assange wouldn't even be dog shit on Putin's shoe if Assange said he had gotten the data from the Russians.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
two things:

1. wikileaks leaks what they want to leak and nothing more
2. why only "leak" documents for selected parties
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By "parties" do you mean political parties? If so, they have released info that made the Bush administration look terrible and I doubt most Dems were upset by that. Back then, left-leaning Dems were cheering on Wikileaks. They will only release what they are given and can confirm is authentic and in the public's interest.
 
Wikileaks has probably released tens of millions of documents by now. Their critics often bring up this forgery charge. 100% accuracy rate. People have taken released documents and changed them after the fact to create forgeries, but that's clearly different. Anyway, RJ, who calls him a stooge of Putin, refuses to acknowledge that Assange has already released a ton of secret documents that made Putin and the oligarchs in Russia look bad.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Wikileaks has probably released tens of millions of documents by now. Their critics often bring up this forgery charge. 100% accuracy rate. People have taken released documents and changed them after the fact to create forgeries, but that's clearly different. Anyway, RJ, who calls him a stooge of Putin refuses to acknowledge that Assange has already released a ton of secret documents that made Putin and the oligarchs in Russia look bad.
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right, so you casually ignore my points, though.

 
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ImTheCaptain said:
you're free to man up and say "you're right"
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Answer to
1. "They will only release what they are given and can confirm is authentic and in the public's interest."

Answer to 2. "By 'parties' do you mean political parties? If so, they have released info that made the Bush administration look terrible and I doubt most Dems were upset by that. Back then, left-leaning Dems were cheering on Wikileaks."

If you don't feel those answers address your poorly stated points go to the source for a better explanation of what they consider to be "Principled Leaking", not to mention other issues:
https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:About
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Wikileaks has probably released tens of millions of documents by now. Their critics often bring up this forgery charge. 100% accuracy rate. People have taken released documents and changed them after the fact to create forgeries, but that's clearly different. Anyway, RJ, who calls him a stooge of Putin, refuses to acknowledge that Assange has already released a ton of secret documents that made Putin and the oligarchs in Russia look bad.
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But this is one of the problems here. Wikileaks used to be non-partisan and was supposed to be a beacon for transparency and responsibility in government and power brokers...In this instance, while I get that they were exposing the dark side of the DNC to public transparency, they did it in a very calculated and partisan way, with respect to timing of releases and content.
 
sailordeac said:
You mean that it is not the job of the government to prevent foreign interference in our elections? You might want to reconsider that.
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Sure, but it is not legal for the president to spend tax payer dollars to help his own political party with their cyber security. This is bizarre, there is no one to blame here but the Russians.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Answer to
1. "They will only release what they are given and can confirm is authentic and in the public's interest."

Answer to 2. "By 'parties' do you mean political parties? If so, they have released info that made the Bush administration look terrible and I doubt most Dems were upset by that. Back then, left-leaning Dems were cheering on Wikileaks."

If you don't feel those answers address your poorly stated points go to the source for a better explanation of what they consider to be "Principled Leaking", not to mention other issues:
https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:About
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so, yes, I'm right. they're not credible because they have no oversight. They can withhold as much info as they want and there's no way to prove otherwise.
 
birdman said:
But this is one of the problems here. Wikileaks used to be non-partisan and was supposed to be a beacon for transparency and responsibility in government and power brokers...In this instance, while I get that they were exposing the dark side of the DNC to public transparency, they did it in a very calculated and partisan way, with respect to timing of releases and content.
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If you have documents which you believe to be in the public interest, of course you are going to want them to have maximum impact. Think of the media outlets you most respect- do you want their stories to have as small an audience as possible? Wikileaks has pissed off Republicans, Democrats, and Putin and his pals- not to mention many others. All these groups have called for Assange's head at one time or another.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
If you have documents which you believe to be in the public interest, of course you are going to want them to have maximum impact. Think of the media outlets you most respect- do you want their stories to have as small an audience as possible? Wikileaks has pissed off Republicans, Democrats, and Putin and his pals- not to mention many others. All these groups have called for Assange's head at one time or another.
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or i just take the documents and hand out the ones i think are beneficial to my political beliefs or those of my overlords
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Comey to Trump: The Russians Didn’t Influence the Election

http://townhall.com/columnists/edklein/2016/12/14/comey-to-trump-the-russians-didnt-influence-the-election-n2259827
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Well there goes that theory...

Washington Post just published this story

FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Trump win election

"FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. have backed a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the presidency, according to U.S. officials.

Comey’s support for the CIA’s conclusion suggests that the leaders of the three agencies are in agreement on Russian intentions, contrary to suggestions by some lawmakers that the FBI disagreed with the CIA."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a-224pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.0c4ff19fd11f
 
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