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Who has a Wife or Daughter going to the Woman's March on Washington?

jhmd2000 said:
To the posters who claim they get the lessons of the election (and then rush out to champion a march that completely contradicts those lessons), which of the disaffected voters you lost in November were supposed to be moved by the message of these marches? You guys spent years lecturing rust belt America on their white privilege, they wander out from underneath your blue tent because a) yours is not an answer, and b) somebody else finally acknowledged their concerns, and your answer is....a march full of people wearing vagina hats? Are you guys trying to win California twice next time?
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How did the march contradict the lessons. There will still be a politics beyond Rust Belt working class male identity politics. The idea is that the Democratic tent needs to have both a vision for racial and gender justice and economic justice. As long as Keith Ellison becomes DNC Chair, the party should be in much better shape for 2018 and 2020.
 
jhmd2000 said:
To the posters who claim they get the lessons of the election (and then rush out to champion a march that completely contradicts those lessons), which of the disaffected voters you lost in November were supposed to be moved by the message of these marches? You guys spent years lecturing rust belt America on their white privilege, they wander out from underneath your blue tent because a) yours is not an answer, and b) somebody else finally acknowledged their concerns, and your answer is....a march full of people wearing vagina hats? Are you guys trying to win California twice next time?
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March wasn't aimed at Trump voters. It was aimed at elected officials.
 
Strickland33 said:
How did the march contradict the lessons. There will still be a politics beyond Rust Belt working class male identity politics. The idea is that the Democratic tent needs to have both a vision for racial and gender justice and economic justice. As long as Keith Ellison becomes DNC Chair, the party should be in much better shape for 2018 and 2020.
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Not sure how this could be serious. The overarching lesson of 2016 is nobody gives a crap what you think you said, it matters what people actually hear. The people who got turned off by what you believe are "racial and gender justice" message aren't going to be moved by an even bigger "racial and gender justice" demonstration.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Okay, got it. Follow-up question: do you want to win or not?
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Well, seeing as I don't like the Democratic Party one bit, I'm not going to be doing any winning anytime soon. That said, there are different actions for different goals. One goal is to hold onto current rights, such as abortion. That's a reactive measure to the vice president's record on the matter. Other necessary measures will be proactive and look to expand the voter base.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Not sure how this could be serious. The overarching lesson of 2016 is nobody gives a crap what you think you said, it matters what people actually hear. The people who got turned off by what you believe are "racial and gender justice" message aren't going to be moved by an even bigger "racial and gender justice" demonstration.
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Did you not read my post? There is nothing wrong with a march that galvanizes up to 4 million people nationally. Nothing. That's a show of solidarity that we haven't seen as a country since the anti-war demonstrations in 2005 and the pro-immigration demonstrations in 2006. I know that you're butthurt about the message; I know #notallmen and all of that. You're literally disputing that the message isn't powerful when it one of the largest political demonstrations in United States history. That's foolish.

You conveniently ignored the second half of my post. Bernie would've beaten Trump with his own message and Bernie's message is indicative of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The progressive wing's most competent base builder is currently running to lead the DNC and, short of him getting undercut by the Clinton-ite cancer still growing in the party, he will support candidates working to broaden the party's message while renewing the party's dedication to basebuilding, voter registration, and turnout that was its bread-and-butter during the Obama years.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Not sure how this could be serious. The overarching lesson of 2016 is nobody gives a crap what you think you said, it matters what people actually hear. The people who got turned off by what you believe are "racial and gender justice" message aren't going to be moved by an even bigger "racial and gender justice" demonstration.
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Personally, I was more moved/surprised by the worldwide marches than the ones in the US. Watching marches in London, Sydney, Berlin, New Delhi, Mexico City and the like was pretty eye opening. US conservatives can shrug it off as sour grapes if they want for Americans, but watching it across the globe kind of forces you to acknowledge that it is far more than that. Even Antarctica had a little march!

 
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jhmd2000 said:
To the posters who claim they get the lessons of the election (and then rush out to champion a march that completely contradicts those lessons), which of the disaffected voters you lost in November were supposed to be moved by the message of these marches? You guys spent years lecturing rust belt America on their white privilege, they wander out from underneath your blue tent because a) yours is not an answer, and b) somebody else finally acknowledged their concerns, and your answer is....a march full of people wearing vagina hats? Are you guys trying to win California twice next time?
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It's one part of a (hopefully much larger) strategy. While there's no question the left needs to do a better job crafting their message toward the rural whites (though hopefully it will be easier next time around after it becomes more obvious that the manufactoring jobs aren't coming back in any meaningful way, trade wars make their stuff more expensive, and they lose their healthcare and safety net). I still think there is value in attempting energize young voters/people who stayed home last time. I think there was enough of "no way this country will elect a guy like that" and "well maybe he's actually a moderate about social issues" that leaves room for a substantial increase in turnout next time. Especially when women see he is rolling out anti-abortion policy from day 1.
 
Strickland33 said:
Did you not read my post? There is nothing wrong with a march that galvanizes up to 4 million people nationally. Nothing. That's a show of solidarity that we haven't seen as a country since the anti-war demonstrations in 2005 and the pro-immigration demonstrations in 2006. I know that you're butthurt about the message; I know #notallmen and all of that. You're literally disputing that the message isn't powerful when it one of the largest political demonstrations in United States history. That's foolish.

You conveniently ignored the second half of my post. Bernie would've beaten Trump with his own message and Bernie's message is indicative of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The progressive wing's most competent base builder is currently running to lead the DNC and, short of him getting undercut by the Clinton-ite cancer still growing in the party, he will support candidates working to broaden the party's message while renewing the party's dedication to basebuilding, voter registration, and turnout that was its bread-and-butter during the Obama years.
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You guys have lost control of every major instrument of power....and you're still giving the self-important, preach-y and transparently hypocritical lectures that turned off the voters in the first place. Pointing to a larger number of people who make the same mistake doesn't change the mistake.
 
tiltdeac said:
It's one part of a (hopefully much larger) strategy. While there's no question the left needs to do a better job crafting their message toward the rural whites (though hopefully it will be easier next time around after it becomes more obvious that the manufactoring jobs aren't coming back in any meaningful way, trade wars make their stuff more expensive, and they lose their healthcare and safety net). I still think there is value in attempting energize young voters/people who stayed home last time. I think there was enough of "no way this country will elect a guy like that" and "well maybe he's actually a moderate about social issues" that leaves room for a substantial increase in turnout next time. Especially when women see he is rolling out anti-abortion policy from day 1.
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Most of your post is correct in my view, but again, what was the take-home for rural whites from this march? That the Democrat Party's answer to their protest vote was another identity politics march?
 
It is completely pointless to try and argue or reason with someone who can't recognize the significance of one of the largest GLOBAL demonstrations in history.
 
lbE08 said:
It is completely pointless to try and argue or reason with someone who can't recognize the significance of one of the largest GLOBAL demonstrations in history.
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You. Can't. Win. Those. States. Twice.
 
TownieDeac said:
If y'all haven't noticed, jh's suggestion is STILL "Dems should be more like Pubs"

Wrong lesson, teach
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If only there was an electoral victory you could point to which supports this theory. There isn't. You guys just keep piling up losses. I don't know what to do with people who argue with the scoreboard.
 
How can a liberal/progressive movement appeal to rural whites beyond changing the tenets of the platform that make it a liberal/progressive movement to start with? There are some economics areas to focus on, but as has been posted on here a lot and written about in the much-loathed "mainstream media," lots of rural whites voted against their own economic interests when they voted for Donald anyways.

Lots of white people, the only major demographic group decreasing in proportion in the American electorate, think that a march that stands for progressive and social equality while also largely opposing the elected white, rich, straight male president, wasn't the greatest idea?! Oh no! Whatever will we as a diverse America do?
 
jhmd2000 said:
If only there was an electoral victory you could point to which supports this theory. There isn't. You guys just keep piling up losses. I don't know what to do with people who argue with the scoreboard.
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send them to the gulag
 
Also the Democrat, one of the most reviled candidates in American history, still got almost three million more votes than the Republican. Yeah the election was lost due to the demographic distribution of population centers (and as 538 pointed out in the immediate aftermath - the turning point of the election could just as easily be identified based upon the random nature of how some state lines were drawn over the last 150 years as a single issue with Clinton as a candidate) but this doesn't mean that there was an overwhelming victory or mandate for the conservative/populist/nationalist movement under the Donald umbrella.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Also the Democrat, one of the most reviled candidates in American history, still got almost three million more votes than the Republican. Yeah the election was lost due to the demographic distribution of population centers (and as 538 pointed out in the immediate aftermath - the turning point of the election could just as easily be identified based upon the random nature of how some state lines were drawn over the last 150 years as a single issue with Clinton as a candidate) but this doesn't mean that there was an overwhelming victory or mandate for the conservative/populist/nationalist movement under the Donald umbrella.
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wrong you lost
 
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