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Whenever I get into a longer discussion about the Bible with someone and I find out they're a literalist/fundamentalist, I immediately turn my questioning and attention to Revelation.
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
Why did God stop doing all his fun earthly activities as people's intelligence increased through out time?
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I suspect you don't really expact an answer here, but in case any other readers are interested in a Christian's perspective on this: I understand that once God came upon earth as Jesus his presence as "I AM" on earth was no longer needed. Instead, He has left his Spirit to guide us and help us to do His work, including performing occasional miracles. This was the case beginning in the early days of the church - there are no records of God appearing to men in the rest of the Bible other than in dreams and visions. This was centuries before the Renaissance, Enlightenment, or Scientific Revolution.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Whenever I get into a longer discussion about the Bible with someone and I find out they're a literalist/fundamentalist, I immediately turn my questioning and attention to Revelation.
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Say more? I'm not an expert on any of this, mind you.....just trying to explain why I think that belief in God and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.
 
My favorite part has to be the end of John:

"Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

This is the end of the book of John. This is after Jesus has been crucified and risen. He shows back up to his followers who see him, he reinstates Peter, and then he "did many other things as well" but it's too much to talk about.

Acts then picks up by him going up to Heaven. It's amazing to me that Jesus is crucified, returns to earth, does "many other things as well" (but are just not included in the Bible), and only then some indeterminate time later does zombie Jesus ascend to the heavens.

Aren't religious people curious about what "many other things" Jesus did? I sure as hell am and I'm not religious at all.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
pretty sure there were 'miracles' after the death of J Money
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Correct - but the miracles are generally performed through His followers. Healings, etc. Again - I have a hard time believing in miracles too.
 
DeacDiggler said:
Say more? I'm not an expert on any of this, mind you.....just trying to explain why I think that belief in God and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.
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Well, to me, Revelation is PRETTTTTTY far out there with some wild ass stories about end times. Once someone says they believe the Bible is the word of God, I'm always curious to hear if they're all in on how Revelation is gonna go down because that's some pretty twisted and sick stuff.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
My favorite part has to be the end of John:

"Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

This is the end of the book of John. This is after Jesus has been crucified and risen. He shows back up to his followers who see him, he reinstates Peter, and then he "did many other things as well" but it's too much to talk about.

Acts then picks up by him going up to Heaven. It's amazing to me that Jesus is crucified, returns to earth, does "many other things as well" (but are just not included in the Bible), and only then some indeterminate time later does zombie Jesus ascend to the heavens.

Aren't religious people curious about what "many other things" Jesus did? I sure as hell am and I'm not religious at all.
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I am, but John's account was not written to be an authoritative biography of Jesus. It was written to share sufficient information that the reader would believe that Jesus was who He said He was. A sentence or two before that, he explains that he is writing so that we (readers) may believe.
 
Believing in a 'god' and believing in non sense in the Bible are pretty far apart
 
DeacDiggler said:
I hear you. From my perspective, it's a pretty big stretch to believe that matter and energy simply appeared from nothing. I understand that your perspective assumes that all things can be explained by science eventually, but I find that unreasonable given that there's no plausible explanation for why the universe exists. Since there is no OTHER plausible reason for the existence of the universe, it's not unreasonable to believe in a creator, unless you are simply refusing to acknowledge the possibility of a creator and therefore have to depend on "someday science."
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So you can't believe that a universe has always existed, but you can believe a Creator has always existed. And because you believe that, you also believe that that creator has the ability to turn women into salt, but because enough people believe in him today, he doesn't do that anymore.
 
Yeah, I'm in on there's some energy out there that's not explainable by current understanding of science and perhaps never will be within the grasp of the human mind/brain. I don't think this energy is personified. I don't think it's a man. I sure as hell don't think it's some sort of thinking creature that set his son on some random planet called Earth and then toyed around with human kind for the last 7,000 years. But if we want to call this unexplained energy or life force "God" then I'm on board with that.

I won't go down this rabbit hole, but I think Christianity is far more extreme of a religion than people in a Judeo-Christian society believe it is.
 
I always like reminding fundamentalists that their bible is a collection of hand picked books, selected by rulers who had co-opted a slave's religion in order to remain in power, and who wanted to make damn sure that their subjects were as obedient as possible.
 
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How vengeful is God for eternally damning the human race because two peeps ate an apple?
 
One of my favorite moments at Wake is when the Intro to the Bible teacher got half the class up in arms by telling them the four gospels weren't all written contemporaneously with the life of Jesus. People flat out refused to accept that and spent half an hour arguing over it.
 
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