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Deacfreak07 said:
I would caution against trying to discern was more than 2 billion people "generally believe".
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Sure, just curious because I thought the one and only qualification for making it to Heaven is to believe that Jesus is the son of God who died for your sins. I've always thought the bible was pretty clear on this although I do see plenty of Christians today who preach that good acts can also get you into Heaven (I personally don't think this is "Christianity" which is why I find Christianity to be a far more extreme religion than most seemingly do - but that's a different topic entirely). I didn't think most Muslims believe that Jesus is the son of God which appeared to be the lone criteria for Heaven.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
You believe those things because they were the first origin story you ever heard. If you heard another religion's story first then you would probably believe that.
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I think that's a great point, and is something that should be a cause for concern for any adherent of any religion or worldview. I have spent a lot of time dissecting and analyzing my beliefs, and am convinced I have good and sufficient reasons for them, but how much of that is due to my analysis and how much due to my upbringing? It's impossible to parse out, which is why I used to put a lot of emphasis on the works of people who converted--either from a religion or non-religion to Christianity or vice versa. What I've found is that, alas, there is no lead-pipe argument that will clinch the debate for any one side. I think there's more than enough evidence to come down either way, and it's a deeply personal, subjective, and intuitive decision
 
OldGoldBeard said:
I think that's a great point, and is something that should be a cause for concern for any adherent of any religion or worldview. I have spent a lot of time dissecting and analyzing my beliefs, and am convinced I have good and sufficient reasons for them, but how much of that is due to my analysis and how much due to my upbringing? It's impossible to parse out, which is why I used to put a lot of emphasis on the works of people who converted--either from a religion or non-religion to Christianity or vice versa. What I've found is that, alas, there is no lead-pipe argument that will clinch the debate for any one side. I think there's more than enough evidence to come down either way, and it's a deeply personal, subjective, and intuitive decision
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Great post. I think this touches on something I've also spent a lot of time working on (both in my free time and professionally): implicit biases derived from cultural upbringing. It's fascinating.
 
Any Jews on here? If I ever jump back into BIG RELIGION that's where I'm heading. Out of the Big 3 or 4 it seems to be the one that most aligns with my worldview.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Sure, just curious because I thought the one and only qualification for making it to Heaven is to believe that Jesus is the son of God who died for your sins. I've always thought the bible was pretty clear on this although I do see plenty of Christians today who preach that good acts can also get you into Heaven (I personally don't think this is "Christianity" which is why I find Christianity to be a far more extreme religion than most seemingly do - but that's a different topic entirely). I didn't think most Muslims believe that Jesus is the son of God which appeared to be the lone criteria for Heaven.
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There are thousands of Christian denominations around the world. Views on salvation and the afterlife are one of those big things that tend to cause schisms, so their views vary pretty widely. It's just pretty ignorant and reckless to try to force religions practiced by billions of people all over the planet as some neat little monolith that you can understand in a few paragraphs.
 
BillBrasky said:
Any Jews on here? If I ever jump back into BIG RELIGION that's where I'm heading. Out of the Big 3 or 4 it seems to be the one that most aligns with my worldview.
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What are the "big 3/4"
 
Religions of Abraham plus Buddha. Probably should have included Hindu and made it a big 5.

However I've been to enough Hindu and Buddhist temples to realize that I could never roll with their crazy as S origin stories.
 
I hear you Brasky. I've immensely enjoyed the Mitzvahs and Jewish weddings I've attended. The ceremonies are beautiful, and the community is awesome.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
There are thousands of Christian denominations around the world. Views on salvation and the afterlife are one of those big things that tend to cause schisms, so their views vary pretty widely. It's just pretty ignorant and reckless to try to force religions practiced by billions of people all over the planet as some neat little monolith that you can understand in a few paragraphs.
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Meh - I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that in "Christianity" accepting that Christ is your savior is one of if not THE core belief for the afterlife is it?
 
If you just think people should think critically about Jesus' stories as parables and can get into Heaven without believing Christ is the son of God (which the Bible is pretty straightforward on from my readings) then why is that "Christianity" at all - just because some people claim it is?

ETA: I can see an argument that it's Christianity in the sense that you are using the teachings of Jesus to live your life and studying his life to help inform yours, but I never realized that a core tenet of Christianity wasn't that Jesus was the son of God.
 
BillBrasky said:
Religions of Abraham plus Buddha. Probably should have included Hindu and made it a big 5.

However I've been to enough Hindu and Buddhist temples to realize that I could never roll with their crazy as S origin stories.
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lol your generosity in including the world's 3rd largest religion in the "Big 5". It's only about twice as large as Buddhism.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
circumcision and uncompromising sanctity of the location he currently occupies.
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Unfortunately this board meme is losing its truthfulness. I still enjoy living in Austin but damn if it isn't becoming a little big for my liking. Probably going to make a move to a (reasonably) smaller and cheaper place in the next couple years. Closer to NC and family most likely.
 
I mean the name "Christ" alone in "Jesus Christ" seems to point out that if you're a believer you think that Jesus is the Messiah right?
 
HailToTheDeacons said:
I hear you Brasky. I've immensely enjoyed the Mitzvahs and Jewish weddings I've attended. The ceremonies are beautiful, and the community is awesome.
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Yep, Jewish celebrations are awesome. Plus their history is way more interesting than some lame story about a carpenter's son with a Messiah complex.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Meh - I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that in "Christianity" accepting that Christ is your savior is one of if not THE core belief for the afterlife is it?
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It matters a great deal to a Universalist for example. You just dismissed the fundamental tenet of their faith. Also, what "accepting" means varies significantly across traditions. I know that it's easy and convenient to make assumptions about Christianity based off of John Q Whitebread in his chinos signing praise songs in a suburban church on Sunday morning, but Christianity is a pretty complex tradition.
 
what the fuck, did OGD just rise from the dead and infect everyone?
 
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