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CONQUERED! WE DON'T FEAR THE SPEAR!

That Was some chickenshit playcalling. Hate to say it but we deserve to lose.
 
God what pussy bullshit. James Franklin just called a halfback pass up 38-14 with 4 to play.
 
Strickland33 said:
James should've been tossed for that targeting call

but seriously, our coaching staff lost that one for us
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The coaching staff lost it narrative is so lame. Are the coaches the reason that we:

Dropped an INT in the red-zone, which would have prevented a FG
Had a safety make a terrible play on the ball on a 3rd down and 20. A stop there would have prevented another FG.
Lost a fumble inside their 25 - probably took points off of the board for us
Threw a pass 5 yards short to a wide open receiver on 3rd down on the key second to last drive. A completion there totally changes the end of the game.
Totally missed on another wide open throw on the last possession
Had a pass bounce right off a WR's shoulder pads leading to an INT in our own territory - again they end up scoring off of it
Totally screwed-up two easily downed punts inside FSU's 2 yard line
Committed a defensive holding penalty to negate a play that would have likely changed the way the last couple of minutes played out (in all fairness it looked like a pretty lame call, as the TE grabbed the Wake player)
 
OfficialA said:
I would've tried the very long field goal at the end of the first half.
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Or hail mary. I get that it was 4th down, but with probably 10 seconds on the clock, what's the risk? playing not to lose. Very conservative O game when the D gave all the marbles they had. Incredibly disappointing, and feels so Wake Forest to me. So Grobe.
 
And can we talk about the 2x chances to pin FSU w/in the 1 yard line on punts that we fucked? Disgraceful, and those alone would've changed the outcome of this game.
 
Bubble Boy said:
The coaching staff lost it narrative is so lame. Are the coaches the reason that we:

Dropped an INT in the red-zone, which would have prevented a FG
Had a safety make a terrible play on the ball on a 3rd down and 20. A stop there would have prevented another FG.
Lost a fumble inside their 25 - probably took points off of the board for us
Threw a pass 5 yards short to a wide open receiver on 3rd down on the key second to last drive. A completion there totally changes the end of the game.
Totally missed on another wide open throw on the last possession
Had a pass bounce right off a WR's shoulder pads leading to an INT in our own territory - again they end up scoring off of it
Totally screwed-up two easily downed punts inside FSU's 2 yard line
Committed a defensive holding penalty to negate a play that would have likely changed the way the last couple of minutes played out (in all fairness it looked like a pretty lame call, as the TE grabbed the Wake player)
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and yet, we were tied with FSU with and had the ball with 90 seconds left
 
been pulling for deacs 55 years----seen this too often------my count is 579 heartbreaks------typical finish
 
wufu bufu said:
And can we talk about the 2x chances to pin FSU w/in the 1 yard line on punts that we fucked? Disgraceful, and those alone would've changed the outcome of this game.
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I agree, special teams play was less than stellar. Don't forget a penalty took away FSU's TD on the opening kickoff, then they had a long punt return in the 1st quarter. Still think we failed to play for the win.
 
Strickland33 said:
and yet, we were tied with FSU with and had the ball with 90 seconds left
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Exactly - the game shouldn't have been in question in the last 90 seconds. If you continuously fail to put a team like FSU away when the opportunities present themselves, then you risk getting burned at the end. If you want to win games, you have to make game winning plays during the entire game.
 
Hard to have a problem with the call at the end of the first half. The no timeout followed by 2 no-chance run plays inside your own 10 yard line are really unthinkable. We hadn't gained yardarge on those plays all night, so we knew we weren't going to get the first down. The timeouts FSU called are meaningless because they are in all likelihood going to get the ball back on the Wake Forest side of the field. So our gameplan is going to be to hold them to less than 8 yards ? Thats our best shot? Why not throw the ball all three times. If you don't get it, you still have to hold them to less than 8 yards. Either way if we punted from the 8 we were going to have to stop them from getting a first down. It showed a real lack of awareness and statistical intelligence.

Wolford had a 26 yard scramble and a 33 yard scramble. Outside of those two broken plays we ran the ball 32 times for 37 yards. So in a game in which we are averaging just barely over 1 yard per carry, we are going to line up and run it twice, when we know, in all statistical probability that if we don't get a first down, that FSU will have a very good chance to kick a field goal to win the game. Yet that is exactly what we do. It is just crazy.
 
Bubble Boy said:
Exactly - the game shouldn't have been in question in the last 90 seconds. If you continuously fail to put a team like FSU away when the opportunities present themselves, then you risk getting burned at the end. If you want to win games, you have to make game winning plays during the entire game.
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I'm not sure what you're arguing. We had a chance and we blew it. At that point, it doesn't matter what happened beforehand. It was a tied game.

ETA: Wrangor said it better.

Wrangor said:
Hard to have a problem with the call at the end of the first half. The no timeout followed by 2 no-chance run plays inside your own 10 yard line are really unthinkable. We hadn't gained yardarge on those plays all night, so we knew we weren't going to get the first down. The timeouts FSU called are meaningless because they are in all likelihood going to get the ball back on the Wake Forest side of the field. So our gameplan is going to be to hold them to less than 8 yards ? Thats our best shot? Why not throw the ball all three times. If you don't get it, you still have to hold them to less than 8 yards. Either way if we punted from the 8 we were going to have to stop them from getting a first down. It showed a real lack of awareness and statistical intelligence.

Wolford had a 26 yard scramble and a 33 yard scramble. Outside of those two broken plays we ran the ball 32 times for 37 yards. So in a game in which we are averaging just barely over 1 yard per carry, we are going to line up and run it twice, when we know, in all statistical probability that if we don't get a first down, that FSU will have a very good chance to kick a field goal to win the game. Yet that is exactly what we do. It is just crazy.
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Our running game is hot garbage. It looked that way all season. Wolford is doing what he can to prop it up.
 
First of all, I feel sorry for the seniors, who lost their last and best chance to beat these guys. Clawson got out coached. The offense wasn't prepared stomp on the noles when we really had to. We have only two players who can catch the ball. Our special teams are a joke.
 
Strickland33 said:
I'm not sure what you're arguing. We had a chance and we blew it. At that point, it doesn't matter what happened beforehand. It was a tied game.

ETA: Wrangor said it better.
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I'm saying I don't see how people are saying that only the coaches lost the game. What happens in the first 48 minutes of the game doesn't matter? The loss can only get pinned on what happens in the last couple of minutes? Yeah, it would be nice if our coaches realized that we are terrible at running the read-option, especially against a fast team like FSU, but if our players make winning plays throughout the game, the last 2 minutes likely don't matter.
 
I see people pointing out how the players and coaches lost the game. I see you trying to shift blame from the millions of dollars in payroll who didn't give the amateur players enough chances to succeed.
 
I've sided with some of the conservative play calling up till now - but Wrangor is spot on. Typically fans complain about boring up the middle delayed handoffs even when we converted a 3rd and 8 the previous series.

But we didn't have any of those conversions in this game, and the scrambles were the only real success on the ground. Too much time with too many timeouts left. Frustratingly the App State game featured a 4th down stop that should have won the game but we got called for a pass interference. In this one we put them in a 3rd and like 30 but had a shitty hold call nowhere near the play that gave them an automatic first down and turned into a tying field goal. Conservative almost got it done in both cases, until it didn't.

I know Clawson doesn't trust our offensive line to consistently give Wolford time to throw downfield, and maybe he's right. We took a couple drive-killing sacks when multiple guys got flat out torched on the line. But you still have to come out throwing on that last drive. At the same time, if Washington is just a little more aggressive on the ball for either the 3rd down play or the hail mary this is a different discussion.

We're still 4-1, and while frustrating that we definitely should have beaten FSU but lost, it's not like we just got our asses handed to us or we got exposed. If anything our defense built even more confidence and our offense has been held in check by conservative playcalling more than anything else.

Hope Clemson wins a tough one tonight to set the table for our upset next week.
 
If I were Clawson I would fire Ruggiero tomorrow to prove a point. That was fucking awful. As soon as we ran that 1st down play on the 10 everyone knew that we were going to lose.
 
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