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Uhhh yeah Tabari Hines’ twitter activity definitely doesn’t look good
 
Wrangor said:
A team is always going to make bad plays. It is tue nature of competition. Coaches are paid millions of dollars to prepare for and make the right play call. We simply didn't and it cost us the game. When you make that kind of money, expect to be called out when you blow a game. If a golfer hits a 9 iron in the water in a clutch moment people understand. If a golfer is tied going into the par 5 18th hole and his caddy hands him a sand wedge because he is scared to give him the driver then that caddy should rightfully be excoriated.

I love Clawson, and I don't want anyone else for our coach, but the staff lost this one. Special teams and playcalling are the result of coaching above all else and they were our two main areas of weakness tonight. Again it is worth repeating. 32 runs for 37 yards and we decide to run a delay to halfback and a qb sneak. Neither of which had done anything all day. We curled up in a corner and just hoped fsu would break their hand on the ropes. You can't knock someone out if you are unwilling to throw a punch.
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Great post. I said it with Grobe and I'll say it with Clawson. I have never and will never understand how a Wake football coaching staff goes conservative with play-calling. It makes absolutely no sense. As coaches, they both inherited one of the shittiest Division I football programs since records have been kept. Yet, both coached and are coaching as if they have the 1967 Green Bay Packers squad. It's just mind boggling why this continues to happen under different coaching regimes.
 
Wrangor said:
A team is always going to make bad plays. It is tue nature of competition. Coaches are paid millions of dollars to prepare for and make the right play call. We simply didn't and it cost us the game. When you make that kind of money, expect to be called out when you blow a game.

I love Clawson, and I don't want anyone else for our coach, but the staff lost this one. Special teams and playcalling are the result of coaching above all else and they were our two main areas of weakness tonight. Again it is worth repeating. 32 runs for 37 yards and we decide to run a delay to halfback and a qb sneak. Neither of which had done anything all day. We curled up in a corner and just hoped fsu would break their hand on the ropes. You can't knock someone out if you are unwilling to throw a punch.
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Out of curiosity, what was the "right" call? Are we just to assume that calling a pass play would have been a success? First of all, I totally agree that our continued reliance on a slow-developing read option has not worked for the last 4 years. However, many are acting like all we had to do was pass the ball on that first play, and we would have automatically won the game (we were tied then and at our own 10). What if Wolford missed a wide-open receiver (like he did the previous possession)? What if a pass bounced off of a receivers pads for an INT? What if a WR fumbled after getting hit? What if Wolford fled the pocket right into the rush for a sack? Our offense isn't exactly Mike Leach era Texas Tech. The game was tied and we were on our own 10. It seems odd to me to claim that it was that single first down call that made us lose the game. That our guys were prepared to make some spectacular play, but the coaches prevented it. And that all that happened in the previous 58 minutes was less important.
 
And for the record, we threw on all 3 plays the prior series and went three and out. 2 dump offs to Colburn and the miss on the throw to a wide open Dortch about 5 yards past the chains.
 
Bubble Boy said:
And for the record, we threw on all 3 plays the prior series and went three and out. 2 dump offs to Colburn and the miss on the throw to a wide open Dortch about 5 yards past the chains.
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I would've liked to seen a screen or underneath throw on 1st or 2nd down of that series.
 
Bubble Boy said:
Out of curiosity, what was the "right" call? Are we just to assume that calling a pass play would have been a success? First of all, I totally agree that our continued reliance on a slow-developing read option has not worked for the last 4 years. However, many are acting like all we had to do was pass the ball on that first play, and we would have automatically won the game (we were tied then and at our own 10). What if Wolford missed a wide-open receiver (like he did the previous possession)? What if a pass bounced off of a receivers pads for an INT? What if a WR fumbled after getting hit? What if Wolford fled the pocket right into the rush for a sack? Our offense isn't exactly Mike Leach era Texas Tech. The game was tied and we were on our own 10. It seems odd to me to claim that it was that single first down call that made us lose the game. That our guys were prepared to make some spectacular play, but the coaches prevented it. And that all that happened in the previous 58 minutes was less important.
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The right call was to give ournoffense a chance to win. Any number of passing plays would have given us a chance. If we failed then we failed. The outcome was secure for fsu after we ran it for no gain twice. We showed that we could move the ball through the air. We also showed that if fsu forces Wolford to scramble he could make some big plays. We knew what running would get us. 1 yard per carry. We also know that dropping to pass offered us a chance to advance and either kill the clock or go for he score.
 
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Bubble Boy said:
Oh give me a break. There are way more lemmings saying "coaching cost us the game." I'm not saying that we saw the world's best coaching job, and the fact that we continue to rely on the world's worst read-option scheme frustrates me to no end. But tell me this, what had more of an impact on our loss? Calling a running play on first down with the ball on our own 10. Or the semi-bad snap that went through Wolford's hands that led to him throwing it out to Wade, who proceeded to cough it up. All of this while we were down around their 25 or so.

The fact of the matter is the game is played on the field. And if you repeatedly fail to make the plays that can change a game when they are presented to you, you probably aren't going to win the game.
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More people are talking about the coaching because it happened at the end of the game. During the game, people talked about those players not making the plays.

Wrangor, good posts. Here's my golf analogy. It's a pro-am. The amateur lips out a 5 footer. Tough break. He's an amateur. The pro does the same and it's an unexpected disappointment. Clawson is the pro. These players are amateurs.
 
PhDeac said:
More people are talking about the coaching because it happened at the end of the game. During the game, people talked about those players not making the plays.

Wrangor, good posts. Here's my golf analogy. It's a pro-am. The amateur lips out a 5 footer. Tough break. He's an amateur. The pro does the same and it's an unexpected disappointment. Clawson is the pro. These players are amateurs.
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What a stupid analogy. Clawson isn't out there throwing the ball, making tackles, etc. It would be more like a PGA Tour caddie telling an amateur player to hit a PW to the middle of the green,and then people blaming the caddie after the player blocks it into the bunker. Stupid caddie, if you would have told him to hit a 9 iron, I bet you he would have holed it out.
 
Bubble Boy said:
What a stupid analogy. Clawson isn't out there throwing the ball, making tackles, etc. It would be more like a PGA Tour caddie telling an amateur player to hit a PW to the middle of the green,and then people blaming the caddie after the player blocks it into the bunker. Stupid caddie, if you would have told him to hit a 9 iron, I bet you he would have holed it out.
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Really don't think its an issue between a PW and 9 iron...more like a Driver and a wedge.

He needs to give the players a play IN THE REALM of reasonable for the situation.
 
Wrangor said:
The right call was to give ournoffense a chance to win. Any number of passing plays would have given us a chance. If we failed then we failed. The outcome was secure for fsu after we ran it for no gain twice. We showed that we could move the ball through the air. We also showed that if fsu forces Wolford to scramble he could make some big plays. We knew what running would get us. 1 yard per carry. We also know that dropping to pass offered us a chance to advance and either kill the clock or go for he score.
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Washington still should have caught that pass. It's not like we ran it on 3rd down. The throw was there and all he had to do was get slightly better position to box out the defender when he stopped and turned for the catch. Nice throw by Wolford and it should have moved the chains. The nerves were showing on offense at multiple positions.
 
Jimbo had a very transparent strategy for this game and while it was dicey at times, it worked out to keep it close and allow superior talent to prevail in a tight game. Fisher protected his TFr QB by running it and throwing mostly behind the line so he wouldn't have to be the one to win the game. As long as FSU led or it was close, Fisher stuck to this strategy. At the end when behind, Wake's D was getting more fatigued from the constant battering ram of their big RB, and Wake mistakes kept their tying and winning drives alive. That defensive holding call was critical in giving FSU life and good field position for the rest of the game.

I felt like the Wake players put a lot of pressure on themselves due to knowing, and likely being told by the coaches, that they would be getting FSU's best shot due to them being 0-2 and that they would need to play virtually mistake free football to win. They seemed maybe too tight and too conscious of the thin line they had to walk, and made errors throughout. A lot like App State did against us. Only the shoe on the other foot today.

I thought Wolford played well given the plays he was given to run, and the receivers did a good job catching -- better than last week. We had good success through the air, it's surprising we didn't throw it more.

Defense had a record-setting day throwing the Noles for losses, but also gave up explosive plays that equalized FSU's attack. The Defense was clearly charged with winning the game in the 4th Q and couldn't hold on that long. That's a tall order anyway. Like a lot of Wake record-setting games (John Leach rushing record), it was done in a loss.

Special teams really put us behind the 8 ball. Xtra point miss and kick coverage problems were critical, but it *was* FSU. You just can't give up returns like that.

We had a very vulnerable FSU team that wasn't particularly fearsome today after losing two in a row to open the season. Couldn't ask for a better set up. In our 5 killer game set, this was one of the games we had to win if we thought we could win a couple of them. One of the best opportunities for a big win we'll have I feel.

Glad we weren't embarrassed score-wise, but it hurts to lose when we were so close to something great. It may get worse before it gets better now given who's on deck.
 
This was a tough loss made more frustrating by the same conservative, try not to lose offensive play calling that has failed the Wake Forest football program for years. There were a multitude of situations during the game that contributed to the loss. Most have already been identified. Being unwilling to take risks in effort to win with the outcome in the balance should not be a contributing factor. It shows a lack of trust and confidence in your players.

That said, the Deacs have improved. That was Florida State escaping with a win. A team full of outstanding athletes and football players who know how to win. Coached by a staff that expects to win and is unafraid to do what it takes to achieve victory. Deacs need to get past the disappointment and learn from it. Players and staff. They have seven more opportunities to prove that this afternoon's loss was a fluke.
 
Agreed. While I hate that we lost, especially by playing to lose, I would have taken 4-1 to start the year, and especially after the 1st half last week. I hope we can manage to keep our heads in the games coming up because they are going to be ridiculously tough. Tough loss, let's go beat CLEMSON
 
Clawson has done a great job building the program. He has turned this into a real football team. That should not be discounted as it is the hardest and most important part of coaching.

That said, I don't think Clawson will ever be anything except mindnumbingly conservative on offense. It cost us this game and should have cost us the game at App. I doubt it would help to fire Ruggerio as the OC usually reflects the head coach. Clawson seems like a replica of Grobe.

It's very frustrating to watch as it is evident that the conservative play calls are the low percentage plays as well as unentertaining. Perfect coach for LOWF.
 
It was obvious that FSU had bigger, quicker, more athletic skill players. We out played them because of effort and coaching, IMO.
 
If you haven't watched Clawson's post-game presser and think the coaches were responsible, either don't watch it or skip toward end where he attempts to explain the next to last offensive possession and stop watching, because you will really not like what he has to say imo. The explanation, if it was one, might not be the best thing to hear as well.

If you want to hear about play calling or other in-game decisions other than that possession, you'll be disappointed.
 
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