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SEC expansion: Texas A&M gone?

WFUtoUSC said:
If Wake left/were forced out of the ACC, I don't know closely I'd be able to follow Wake athletics. I will always love mother so dear, but if we suddenly became a SoCon or C-USA... I just don't think I could bring myself to give a shit.
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I could be mistaken, but I don't think the ACC can force out a charter member and I can't think of a reason we would ever leave.

The problem that I see as a conference is that we are just sitting idle on the sidelines, while Pac-32, Sec, Big-10 have at least been aggressive.

I don't personally like the super-conference idea, but if that's where we are headed, I would rather be in one than left out. The only way that will happen is if the ACC becomes one.
 
We may never leave, but if 4 super conferences emerge from this mess I would guess our invitation would get lost in the mail. The ACC could easily cease to exist and we could get swept up into some non BCS conference with lower quality teams.
 
The ACC raiding the Big East is what set off all of this conference raiding in the first place, so the idea that the ACC is just sitting on the sidelines is laughable. The fact of the matter is that the ACC simply cannot offer as lucrative of a package to schools in these dissolving conferences as the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 can. Both the ACC and the schools in these conferences know this, so neither the ACC, nor these other schools want to make a move.
 
BlastOnPatrol said:
We may never leave, but if 4 super conferences emerge from this mess I would guess our invitation would get lost in the mail. The ACC could easily cease to exist and we could get swept up into some non BCS conference with lower quality teams.
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If the move is to four 16-team conferences then the ACC isn't going anywhere - neither the Big XII nor the Big East can offer the kind of financial stability that the ACC can. This isn't to say that the ACC won't lose a team or two to the SEC or the Big Ten, but suggesting that the ACC is going to dissolve are ridiculous.
 
w84it said:
If the move is to four 16-team conferences then the ACC isn't going anywhere - neither the Big XII nor the Big East can offer the kind of financial stability that the ACC can. This isn't to say that the ACC won't lose a team or two to the SEC or the Big Ten, but suggesting that the ACC is going to dissolve are ridiculous.
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IF the system becomes 4 16-team conferences (I'm not completely sold), then it's definitely Big East v. ACC. IF the ACC loses teams like Maryland to the B1G or Vtech/Clemson/Miami to the SEC, then the ACC isn't nearly as stable and it will be a fight to see who each conference(East or ACC) can get to compete.

I still give the advantage to the ACC because of the bloc of NC schools that should stay together, which is something that the Big East doesn't really have, but it's not all THAT crazy to see the ACC possibly dissolving. And that's why yes, the ACC does need to remain proactive, not only in keeping itself together, but also to potentially lure away a school or two.
 
HalIncandenza said:
IF the system becomes 4 16-team conferences (I'm not completely sold), then it's definitely Big East v. ACC. IF the ACC loses teams like Maryland to the B1G or Vtech/Clemson/Miami to the SEC, then the ACC isn't nearly as stable and it will be a fight to see who each conference(East or ACC) can get to compete.

I still give the advantage to the ACC because of the bloc of NC schools that should stay together, which is something that the Big East doesn't really have, but it's not all THAT crazy to see the ACC possibly dissolving. And that's why yes, the ACC does need to remain proactive, not only in keeping itself together, but also to potentially lure away a school or two.
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The problem with the ACC vs. Big East debate about which league will survive is that the Big East isn't anywhere close to being as financially strong as the ACC and the Big East remains weighted down by their basketball-only members. Even if the ACC is raided by the SEC and the Big Ten and loses four members, you're still much more likely to see the remaining Big East teams looking to jump ship to the ACC because of the ACC's better revenue-sharing model.

If the Big East wants to stick around as a powerful conference when everything is said and done, they first need to get their own house in order.
 
94wfudeacon said:
I could be mistaken, but I don't think the ACC can force out a charter member and I can't think of a reason we would ever leave.

The problem that I see as a conference is that we are just sitting idle on the sidelines, while Pac-32, Sec, Big-10 have at least been aggressive.

I don't personally like the super-conference idea, but if that's where we are headed, I would rather be in one than left out. The only way that will happen is if the ACC becomes one.
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No, the ACC couldn't kick us out. But look at the following scenario and tell me the ACC won't be on unstable ground.

Big Ten takes Maryland, Virginia, Kansas and Missouri
SEC takes Texas A&M, FSU, Clemson, and VT

The ACC would sit at 7 teams. If the Big East adds, say UCF, and Villanova goes 1A they're at 11. Is it more likely that the ACC's 7 remaining teams (BC, Big 4, GT, Miami) can poach the Big East or that the Big East's 10 strong can try to grab BC, NC State, etc? That's definitely up for debate at that point, and in this feasible worst case scenario I've laid out, the Big East is probably in better standing.

Even if neither can poach the other, who else would the ACC be able to go after at that point? ECU? App St? Temple? Kansas St? Baylor? The options just aren't very good at that point.

All of this is why the ACC needs to go hard at the Big East and destroy them as soon as possible. UConn and Syracuse have to be the first calls, with USF not far behind. If we get to 14, including the Northeast and strengthening the Florida foothold in case FSU leaves, losing a couple doesn't sting as bad any more and won't cripple the conference.

I do agree with the Big East's biggest roadblock being a 17 team conference with 8 non-football members. That will still stand in their way as far as poaching the ACC.
 
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w84it said:
The problem with the ACC vs. Big East debate about which league will survive is that the Big East isn't anywhere close to being as financially strong as the ACC and the Big East remains weighted down by their basketball-only members. Even if the ACC is raided by the SEC and the Big Ten and loses four members, you're still much more likely to see the remaining Big East teams looking to jump ship to the ACC because of the ACC's better revenue-sharing model.

If the Big East wants to stick around as a powerful conference when everything is said and done, they first need to get their own house in order.
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Yeah, I don't completely disagree with you. That's why I said the ACC would have the leg up. I'm just saying with a defection or acquisition here or there, it's not completely unreasonable to think the ACC could lose its edge, hence the need to be proactive about at least keeping all its current members.
 
Has anyone even thought about the giant mother of an anti-trust lawsuit that's going to come down against 64 teams that run college football and refuse to let anyone else compete?
 
HalIncandenza said:
Yeah, I don't completely disagree with you. That's why I said the ACC would have the leg up. I'm just saying with a defection or acquisition here or there, it's not completely unreasonable to think the ACC could lose its edge, hence the need to be proactive about at least keeping all its current members.
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I have no doubt that Swofford is doing everything in his power in order to keep the ACC as it currently stands, but that a defensive move - there isn't anything that he can realistically do until the SEC and the Big Ten have played their hands. Frankly, I don't think that the Big Ten has their sights on Maryland and Virginia, if only because commish Delany is a UNC grad and I don't think he wants to be responsible for the death of the ACC (also, from what I can tell, Delany and Swofford have a very good working relationship and have worked together much longer than Delany, Beebe, and Marinatto).
 
Big Ten also has their sights on Georgia Tech (Atlanta market).
 
Wake could get left out if ACC and Big East combine into a new "Big Atlantic" conference and the former ACC gets goes away.
 
91deac said:
Wake could get left out if ACC and Big East combine into a new "Big Atlantic" conference and the former ACC gets goes away.
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It's OK. Wellman and Bz would rather play in the Colonial or Patriot League anyway.
 
wfumike02 said:
It's OK. Wellman and Bz would rather play in the Colonial or Patriot League anyway.
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Why would you say something like that? It's patently untrue and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that it is. If there's anybody who would rather play in the Colonial or Patriot, it's the fans on here who talk a big game but have never given a cent to the Deacon Club.
 
wfumike02 said:
It's OK. Wellman and Bz would rather play in the Colonial or Patriot League anyway.
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It's bad enough to hope for 6 wins this season, but it's going to be disastrous winning only 4-5 while playing in the Colonial or Patriot league.
 
HeavyPetter said:
Why would you say something like that? It's patently untrue and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that it is. If there's anybody who would rather play in the Colonial or Patriot, it's the fans on here who talk a big game but have never given a cent to the Deacon Club.
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:thumbsup: I like this.
 
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