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Screamindemon3 said:
How hard is it to ignore the little D or R beside the persons name and just fry all these sick fucks. Jesus people. If we can't find common ground with each other over sexual harassment or pedophilia or whatever else terrible things these bastards have done then America is truly fucked. I understand the extremest on both sides like RJ and BKF are way too scared to see their "team" lose due to their SDS but the middle 80% should be able to come together and handle shit like this.
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Not to distract from Franken, but this is a #metoo story about a long-time Disney entertainer.

Hey, folks, with the recent #metoo reports, I recently shared this story with my running team about YeeHaw Bob. This happened in 2013.
I brought this up again with them recently and, even with a witness who took a photo, they felt that there wasn't enough evidence to fire him.
Please feel free to share, as I don't want this to happen to any other women going to see his show.
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This is very difficult for me to post and I’ve been thinking about this for a long time. The #metoo movement has brought this up again for me and I have long thought that I should share what happened to me to protect other women.
This relates to a well-loved Disney performer at Port Orleans Riverside…and it happened about 6 years ago.
A number of runners went to see YeeHaw Bob perform during race weekend. At the end of his performance, he asked us to come up to the piano for a photo. He asked me to sit next to him on the piano.
Several photos were taken and during that time he reached behind me and grabbed and squeezed my rear-end. This was not just an inadvertent touch — his hand stayed there and squeezed for a long time.
As is the case when this happens to many women, I was so stunned that I froze. I didn’t want to make a scene in front of my running friends. I felt all the blood drain out of my head and just froze.
After we began to disperse, I pulled a few of my friends aside. They had seen it! One actually was so appalled that she took a photo. Another said, “I would have punched him in the face.”
I returned home and didn’t know what to do. I shared this with my family and my boys actually convinced me to call Walt Disney World. (In the meantime, I had heard that this had happened to another friend. She chose not to report, as was her prerogative).
After getting the run-around, they eventually connected me with a person who gathered these types of stories. She recorded everything I said and first told me that it was my right to contact the police (I wish now that I had…but I didn’t). She heard my whole story and even interviewed two of my friends who had been there. One friend sent the photo of him doing it to Disney to review (I never saw the photo myself — too upsetting).
After a time WDW contacted me to say that they had investigated and were offering me $500 compensation. I was speechless! I didn’t want money — at this point I wanted him fired. I told them that I didn’t want the money but in a few weeks a check arrived (which I promptly tore up).
A few weeks after that, I heard he received a Disney Legends award.
I am not sharing this story to upset folks. I have privately told this story to many close friends. I’m sharing this publicly now because I want you to use caution if you are a woman and get near this man. I’m sharing this if you have a daughter — so you can keep her away.
I know that, in the big picture, this pales in comparison to the abuse that others have endured, however, I have lost countless nights of sleep over this. I felt I was right to expect to be protected from this at WDW and I wasn’t. I’m not going to lie — it tainted things a bit for me and clearly it still upsets me. If I can protect one woman from this, it will have been worth it.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
It's a pic where he isn't even grabbing her tits. He's acting like it, or at least that's what it looks like to me. You can see the shadows underneath his fingers, which means there is plenty of space there. Childish, but not a big deal. Obviously a bad look for a sitting Senator, even if he wasn't a Senator at the time. But I've taken photos where I pretend to do the same thing. Or where I pretend to grab a dude's junk, and it's not like I'm getting a charge out of it. When dudes pass out, they're known to take pics of the other dude looking silly. This notion that doing stupid shit is somehow "making fun of sexual assault" is just dumb. If he had just actually assaulted her and then sat there and laughed about it, that would be making fun of sexual assault. Acting like you're grabbing some tits isn't in the same ballpark.

The shooting his tongue down her throat is not a big deal either. Sorry, but it isn't. I can't believe he tried that shit at his age, and am also surprised that she acquiesced to such a transparent maneuver to "rehearse" (oh no, I've apparently "blamed the victim" even though I haven't), but she was just grossed out, not sexually assaulted. Have no guys on this board ever tried to kiss a girl and been rebuffed? Maybe not, considering this bunch. Is kissing and being rebuffed any different from sticking your tongue down a throat and being rebuffed? Does the extension of the kiss suddenly make it sexual assault? Are we to view it like penile penetration?

We've also lost track of what it means to be sexually harassed. Sexual harassment was always when a guy was using his superior position at work to get sexual favors or to play grabass or whatever. His position of authority made it sexual harassment, not the mere fact that he was a male making a female feel uncomfortable. A co-worker giving another co-worker unwanted romantic or sexual attention is a co-worker being a pain in the ass and affecting his work environment. We call that sexual harassment now because we're lazy. We used to just call it being an asshole.
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The rebuff comes long before the tongue is in the mouth, dude. Come on. Back when I was dating and hooking up, if I went in for a kiss and she turned her head or pulled back in the slightest, I stopped. Also, I never started with the tongue anyway. This shit is not hard, you start small and go in for a light kiss on the lips, if she's down with it she kisses back, then it gets deeper. For fuck's sake, seems like a lot of you were/are just awful with women.

Obviously Franken was all into this chick and came up with this ham-handed kiss rehearsal and then said fuck it im a disgusting old man Im just going to take what I want from this pretty young woman, and he did. Fuck him
 
EatLeadCommie said:
A co-worker giving another co-worker unwanted romantic or sexual attention is a co-worker being a pain in the ass and affecting his work environment. We call that sexual harassment now because we're lazy. We used to just call it being an asshole.
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Or...

"We used to just call it being an asshole because we wanted carte blanche to do whatever the hell we felt like and now that we can't do that anymore the world is going to hell in a handbasket due to this PC culture!"
 
RJKarl said:
So, would anyone who has ever told a bad, an insulting joke be disqualified from being an elected leader for life?
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I fired one of my direct reports for telling a terrible, sexual joke to a woman who was offended by it.
 
WFU71 said:
I fired one of my direct reports for telling a terrible, sexual joke to a woman who was offended by it.
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Would you have fired that person for having told an inappropriate joke to a person who doesn't work for you, three years before taking a job with you? That's what happened here.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
It's a pic where he isn't even grabbing her tits. He's acting like it, or at least that's what it looks like to me.

The shooting his tongue down her throat is not a big deal either. Sorry, but it isn't... A co-worker giving another co-worker unwanted romantic or sexual attention is a co-worker being a pain in the ass and affecting his work environment. We call that sexual harassment now because we're lazy. We used to just call it being an asshole.
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When I retired 15 years ago, it was sexual harassment in my book (and in the eyes of my VP-HR and corporate counsel).
 
RJKarl said:
Would you have fired that person for having told an inappropriate joke to a person who doesn't work for you, three years before taking a job with you? That's what happened here.
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no, it isn't what happened here

Franken didn't "tell an inappropriate joke"

he objectified a colleague into the butt of an inappropriate joke, at a minimum, possibly assaulted her as well, and forced himself upon her when she clearly did not want it
 
WFU71 said:
I fired one of my direct reports for telling a terrible, sexual joke to a woman who was offended by it.
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was in a meeting today with an older British man and a woman my age (who is also on my team). he made a quip about grabbing them by the short and curlies and it definitely made things uncomfortable.
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/360709-woman-who-accused-franken-says-she-accepts-his-apology

Woman who accused Franken says she accepts his apology

The woman who accused Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) of sexual misconduct said Thursday she accepts his apology.

"The apology, sure I accept it, yes. People make mistakes and of course he knew he made a mistake," Leeann Tweeden said. "So yes I do accept that apology. There's no reason why I shouldn't accept his apology."

She said it's up to Congress to decide if it wants to have an ethics investigation into Franken's behavior, adding that she isn’t calling for Franken to step down, unless more women come forward.

“People make mistakes. I’m not calling for him to step down. That’s not my place to say that,” Tweeden said.

She said she wasn't "looking for anything" when she shared her story.

Tweeden published a piece Thursday accusing Franken of kissing and groping her without her consent.

The incident — which she said happened in December 2006 — happened when the two were on a USO tour together. She said Franken groped her when she was asleep and provided a photo.

She added that she saw Franken a couple of years after the incident occurred, at a USO gala. She said Franken found her in a room at the event and she was "very cold to him."

"He had a chance to apologize to me then, because he knew — he knew exactly what he did to me then and that picture was out there," she said.
Franken issued an initial apology on Thursday morning. He later released another statement in which he called for an ethics investigation into his own behavior.

His call for an investigation came after several other lawmakers had called for an ethics investigation into the allegations.

Tweeden said Thursday that she was afraid to speak out when the incident happened out of fear of losing her job, explaining why she decided to come out with the allegations now.

She said Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) inspired her to come forward with her story. The congresswoman earlier this month shared her own experience of sexual harassment, describing an instance when a chief of staff forcibly kissed her when she was a congressional staffer.

“2017 is not 2006,” Tweeden said. “Maybe I can be somebody’s Jackie Speier and they can tell their story in real time and not wait.”
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/franken-apology/index.html

"(Worth noting: Franken's second apology wasn't a mea culpa; he reiterated that he didn't remember the rehearsals for the skit in the same way that Tweeden did.)
But, it doesn't make up for Franken's first apology. Here's why.
Franken's first apology was his knee-jerk reaction -- his instinctual response. And that response was to, in essence, say this: I don't remember doing anything wrong but, hey, if I did, I'm a comedian. It might have have been a bad joke -- but it was a joke.
What that signals to me is that Franken -- at least initially -- didn't really get it. His initial dismissal -- particularly given the post-Harvey Weinstein world in which we now live -- feels deeply tone deaf.
Franken's second apology is a clear cleanup attempt. As is his embrace of an Senate Ethics Committee investigation into his conduct. What Franken is trying to do here is buy himself some time under the belief that time passing will take away from the heat around the issue right now."
 
Shooshmoo said:
Can we not say it doesn't matter -- it absolutely does matter. There is a huge difference between actual sexual assault and making fun of sexual assault. (This has nothing to do with whether Franken actually sexually assaulted her by the way). You are correct that making fun of sexual assault is awful for an elected leader, but actual sexual assault is clearly much worse and the difference matters.
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My bad, poor phrasing on my part. What I meant was that even if he didn’t actually assault her it is super shitty to behave this way.
 
WakeandBake said:
The rebuff comes long before the tongue is in the mouth, dude. Come on. Back when I was dating and hooking up, if I went in for a kiss and she turned her head or pulled back in the slightest, I stopped. Also, I never started with the tongue anyway. This shit is not hard, you start small and go in for a light kiss on the lips, if she's down with it she kisses back, then it gets deeper. For fuck's sake, seems like a lot of you were/are just awful with women.

Obviously Franken was all into this chick and came up with this ham-handed kiss rehearsal and then said fuck it im a disgusting old man Im just going to take what I want from this pretty young woman, and he did. Fuck him
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Fair enough point.
 
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