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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

sailordeac said:
if your concern is personal physical health, you can do most things in moderation

but I thought the discussion was about social and economic advancement
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If your concern is social and economic advancement, you can do most things in moderation.
 
I'm going to go drink with leftists, so I'll leave this for thought. How does this reconcile with beliefs in individual freedom and goals of promoting two parent households?

A staggering number of women who are incarcerated are not even convicted: more than a quarter of women who are behind bars have not yet had a trial. Moreover, 60% of women in jail have not been convicted of a crime and are awaiting trial.
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So what does it mean that large numbers of women are held in jail - for them, and for their families? While stays in jail are generally shorter than in stays in prison, jails make it harder to stay in touch with family than prisons do. Phone calls are more expensive, up to $1.50 per minute, and other forms of communication are more restricted - some jails don’t even allow real letters, limiting mail to postcards. This is especially troubling given that 80% of women in jails are mothers, and most of them are primary caretakers of their children. Thus children are particularly susceptible to the domino effect of burdens placed on incarcerated women.

Women in jails are also more likely to suffer from mental health problems and experience serious psychological distress than either women in prisons or men in either correctional setting.
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https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2017women.html
 
Great.

So at a societal level since there are always going to be subsets of people who are going to engage in types of counterproductive behavior, how best can we set policy (which requires a macro analysis) to not hinder society as a whole?
 
And, again, people on here are making the argument to stop the war on drugs which will mean that engaging in behavior like this will not land you in jail.
 
sailordeac said:
don't do stuff that will land you in jail, especially if you are a parent
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This would be a slightly less horrible answer if that “stuff” didn’t include being poor, having an addiction, defending yourself against an abusive partner, looking suspicious, etc.
 
MHBDemon said:
This would be a slightly less horrible answer if that “stuff” didn’t include being poor, having an addiction, defending yourself against an abusive partner, looking suspicious, etc.
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I am not if favor of jailing people for drug use. I don't know of any laws against the other stuff you mention.
 
1. We're having a discussion about the war on drugs
2. The post right before mine, you said "don't do stuff that will land you in jail, especially if you are a parent"
 
jhmd2000 said:
For delicate sensibilities, I have edited the post. I'll invite those quoting it to kindly do the same.
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You freaked out when somebody just used red hair on top of a troll head saying they were doxxing you and then you do that?

hahahahha -- you're such a fraud.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Life is short. Don't spend the rest of your life being dv7.
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Life is short. Don't spend the rest of your life being a ginger that freaks out about being "doxxed" online by some red hair on a troll face and then literally list the employer of another poster.


Enjoy ban camp. Stay out of the sun.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Stop rewarding self destructive behavior.
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I think we just live in different worlds. You seem to just deny accepted science on mass incarceration and criminal justice. To the point that you shy away from giving any honest answers. Our incarceration rate is not explained by an increase in crime. If you do not accept that, then cool, but please provide an argument. I know, wishful thinking.
 
It's always amusing to see people who profess a belief in small government and individual liberty go all in on law and order.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I enjoy the self-satisfied smug post as much as the next poster, and this one is fine work.

Your first sentence is unimpeachable. No argument whatsoever. Things go off the rails from there.

People are being incarcerated because they are breaking the law. That's how it works. We can have a healthy discussion about whether the law imposes the proper form and duration of punishments, but it would be helpful if people on your side of the political meridian were brave enough to actually criticize self-destructive behavior when they see it (see different worlds, supra). You can't volitionally break the three most elementary rules of avoiding poverty at an epidemic level and then wonder why you have epidemic poverty. Mystery solved: it's the self-disqualifying behavior. The very same that your side of the aisle continues to subsidize with entitlements, and professes confusion as to why it continues (and expands). I think I'm supposed to say "There's no way to prevent this" here.
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I seem to recall asking you to answer what you would do to address mass incarceration. What was that you were saying about a "healthy discussion?"

Also, I meant that we have different world views. Where is the lie? It is idiotic to believe that we are encouraging self-destructive behavior by incarcerating our citizens at a rate unheard of in the developed world.
 
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jhmd2000 said:
What is the percentage of persons currently incarcerated that:
a) finished high school,
b) took available, legal employment commensurate with their education?
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like i said, wishful thinking.
 
Musings from jhmd’s lily-white world have always entertained the board MHB, and his shuck-and-jive is one of his signature moves.
 
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