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Terrific crowd at the Joel tonight!

donaldross said:
Low attendance has always been an issue. So has excitement with our structure. This has been true for over 2 decade through 2 first ballot HOFers and I've been saying it the whole time.
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Ummm, this is just not a factual statement.
 
I don't think the Joel will ever be what it was. Thus is the nature of the beast when you start charging 60.000 dollars a year for an education. Uppity kids who have no idea about ACC basketball traditions started attending wake and they don't go to basketball games, especially not with townies and the filth.

What if someone spills a beer on your brooks brother shirt daddy bought, cant take chances.
 
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WFcatamount22 said:
I don't think the Joel will ever be what it was. Thus is the nature of the beast when you start charging 60.000 dollars a year for an education. Uppity kids who have no idea about ACC basketball traditions started attending wake and they don't go to basketball games, especially not with townies and the filth.

What if someone spills a beer on your brooks brother shirt daddy bought, cant take chances.
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Do you really believe this? There are plenty of schools full of entitled kids paying nearly 70K/year for an education that fill their arenas. Their basketball programs are usually really, really good.
 
siff said:
Do you really believe this? There are plenty of schools full of entitled kids paying nearly 70K/year for an education that fill their arenas. Their basketball programs are usually really, really good.
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Yes, I think kids who go to wake on average care less about the ACC and college basketball than they did 20 years ago. I think it is a two fold problem of college basketball not being as good, and a changing student demographic.

A lot of those other better 70K a year schools have more historical basketball traditions than Wake does, so they still pull kids who care about going to a basketball school. When wake lost a student body from the area they lost anyone with interest in wake basketball for better or worse.
 
LilburnDeac said:
I thought the roof was going to lift off the building.
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The UNC game Chis Paul's second year at the joel was absolutely bonkers. We had people offering 200 + bucks for our season ticket seats in the rafters. Going to the Joel to catch a game used to be so incredibly fun, now it is so incredibly meh.
 
LilburnDeac said:
I thought the roof was going to lift off the building.
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Was in grad school at Carolina at the time and took the now Mrs CHDeac and her roommate to the game. They were blown away at the crowd. Great night!
 
WFcatamount22 said:
The UNC game Chis Paul's second year at the joel was absolutely bonkers. We had people offering 200 + bucks for our season ticket seats in the rafters. Going to the Joel to catch a game used to be so incredibly fun, now it is so incredibly meh.
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Ron Wellman put a stop to all of these shenanigans!!
 
LilburnDeac said:
I thought the roof was going to lift off the building.
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Dean finally called a timeout and quit trying to trap us after the 6th straight three by Chill. Our lead went from about 15 to 30+. I’ll never forget it. The 360 was icing on the cake.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Yes, I think kids who go to wake on average care less about the ACC and college basketball than they did 20 years ago. I think it is a two fold problem of college basketball not being as good, and a changing student demographic.

A lot of those other better 70K a year schools have more historical basketball traditions than Wake does, so they still pull kids who care about going to a basketball school. When wake lost a student body from the area they lost anyone with interest in wake basketball for better or worse.
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Curious. Did you attend WFU? I’m not sure the student body has changed that much over the past 30 years.
 
coredeac said:
Both were great but I think you're referencing two different games and two different seasons. The Randolph game, we had a huge lead at half and Tony Rutland hit the shot just before half from behind the backboard. The Rodney game was a much closer score.
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Don't know, but Cill was 7-9 on 3-pt attempts in the 1/30/93 game. We won by 26
 
ImTheCaptain said:
right, but the Joel makes it difficult to create a good atmosphere for teams that are not top 10 caliber
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Don't think we need to be top 10 caliber to get back there, but it would be nice. Between 1991 and 2010, WF made 14 NCAATs and missed 6. Last seven seasons, WF made 1 and missed 6. I think WF's only been ranked #1 twice ever and only for one week each. I recall one of CP3's teams being the first.

We were pretty consistently in the Top 25, but I don't recall being in the top 10 all or a lot of the time. Consistently really good is better than occasionally great imo, unless occasionally great means Final Four or NCAA Champs obviously, which it hasn't for us.

We were packing the Joel regardless because of a lot of great home court wins and epic games. The atmosphere wasn't there the day the Joel opened, but it got there.
 
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wfu22fan said:
Dean finally called a timeout and quit trying to trap us after the 6th straight three by Chill. Our lead went from about 15 to 30+. I’ll never forget it. The 360 was icing on the cake.
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The 360 was in the first half when it was still a close game.
 
Biggus Deacus said:
So you were saying that WF had low attendance and lacked excitement in the mid-'90s? Joel was too loud back then for people to hear you I guess. Difficult for me to go any further if that's what you believe.
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Yes, I disagree directly. I was in school at Wake in the mid 90s during the good times. I was also publicly pointing out how horrific our stadium was at the time. Way too many seats. Way too many empty seats. Students needed the best seats. All stuff I was saying right on campus TV at that time. Many here can disagree but many here cannot deny that I was saying that publicly during the Odom years—because it was true then just as it is now.
 
Since we are debating with DR about arena size, I decided to scroll through some of the ACC/BigTen games and looked at attendance (ESPN app on my phone).

Here are the games:

Maryland @ Syracuse - Capacity ???? (Attendance 20,852)

Wisconsin @ UVA - Capacity 14,593 (Attendance 13,911)

HighPoint @ Pitt - Capacity 12,508 (Attendance 2,399)

NWestern @ Ga. Tech - Capacity 8,600 (Attendance 5,562)

Fl.State @ Rutgers - Capacity 8,000 (Attendance 4,853)

Louisville @ Purdue - Capacity 14,264 (Attendance 14,804)

Iowa @ Va. Tech - Capacity 9,900 (Attendance 7,101)

Illinois @ Wake Forest - Capacity 14,665 (Attendance 5,782)

Penn St. @ NCST - Capacity 19,722 (Attendance 15,270)

Clemson @ OhioSt. - Capacity 19,500 (Attendance 17,189)

Michigan @ UNC - Capacity 21,750 (Attendance 19,036)

Duke @ Indiana - Capacity 17,472 (I assume a sellout, game not over)

Miami @ Minnesota - Capacity 14,625 (Attendance not listed)

BC @ Nebraska - Capacity 15,000 (Attendance not listed)
 
I'll commend you for saying what you believe DR, I just don't agree with what you believe.
 
donaldross said:
Yes, I disagree directly. I was in school at Wake in the mid 90s during the good times. I was also publicly pointing out how horrific our stadium was at the time. Way too many seats. Way too many empty seats. Students needed the best seats. All stuff I was saying right on campus TV at that time. Many here can disagree but many here cannot deny that I was saying that publicly during the Odom years—because it was true then just as it is now.
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What size arena are you lobbying for?
 
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