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Biggest Reform EVER passed thread

sure. if you prefer the French Revolution style of change, by all means, let's do it.
Your status quo is killing plenty of people already, whether or not the President is black. When the guillotines come out we'll all wonder if we just could have tweeted at the president more.
 
For the Republican Party you have the extreme end voting against their own interest to provide tax cuts to the rich and corporations. In the democrat party you have the centralist voting against their own interests to raise taxes and pay for social programs they don’t need. Pretty easy to lose those people and then who are the people getting hurt, the cry baby whiners.

A pretty good unintentional indictment of centrism.
 
The Republic Will Survive the Tax Bill

Reasonable perspective...? If you can read on the website you can access many links embedded in the piece.

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My view of the tax bill in Congress is probably clear to you by now. I think it’s bad for the economy and, in particular, for the middle class and poor. A small number of Republicans can still prevent the bill from becoming law, and I hope they do.

But I also think that some of the commentary about the bill is exaggerating its impact. The goal of today’s newsletter is to put the bill in perspective.

It does not fundamentally alter American politics. Its passage would not be as big of a deal as Obamacare repeal would have been (and, no, the bill does not stealthily repeal Obamacare). The tax bill doesn’t threaten democratic values in the ways that President Trump, Roy Moore and their various enablers are otherwise doing.

The tax bill, to be clear, is a dreadful piece of policy. It’s also a dreadful piece of policy that is unlikely to endure — so long as people avoid becoming despondent. “Of all the horrors Donald Trump has (and has yet to) inflict upon the republic, a huge tax cut for the rich was the most inevitable,” Jonathan Chait of New York magazine wrote. “But it is also the most easily reversible.”

Here’s my attempt at perspective:

Tax policy swings back and forth with partisan control. Ronald Reagan cut taxes for the rich, and Bill Clinton raised them. George W. Bush cut taxes on the rich, and Barack Obama raised them. Now Trump is on the verge of cutting them again. Changes to the tax code are often ephemeral.

As Chait wrote: “Indeed, the passage of the Trump tax cuts will help lay the groundwork for their undoing by increasing the chances Democrats regain control of Congress.” Already, polls show the tax bill to be deeply unpopular, which is why Republican leaders are rushing it through Congress. They know it’s a political loser.

This bill doesn’t change the rules. Obamacare repeal would have. I’ve previously asked historians for modern parallels to Obamacare repeal — that is, huge social programs that were established and then eliminated — and the historians struggled to come up with an answer. The reversal of Reconstruction, and of basic rights for Southern blacks, is probably the closest.

The repeal of Obamacare would have haunted any future effort to improve life for middle-class and poor Americans. The passage of a big tax cut for the rich will not.

(All of which is a good reminder not to ignore the possibility that Republican leaders will try again to repeal Obamacare.)

The tax bill is not a backdoor repeal of Obamacare. Yes, the bill would damage the quality of health insurance. And, yes, several Republican senators — starting with Susan Collins — would be violating their own stated principles if they vote for the tax bill.

But damage to Obamacare isn’t the same thing as a slippery slope toward the program’s demise.

The two core pieces of Obamacare are the subsidies that help middle-class families afford private insurance and the expansion of Medicaid for working-class families. The tax bill doesn’t get rid of either. Instead, it will likely repeal the individual mandate — the requirement that people buy health insurance. As a result, health-insurance markets will suffer some turmoil, and costs for some families will rise.

Most people who want health insurance will still be able to get it, though. And health care advocates can reduce the impact of the mandate’s repeal through public-information campaigns that encourage people to sign up. The elimination of the insurance subsidies and Medicaid expansion would be qualitatively worse.

Many big fights remain. The tax bill’s supporters have a clear vision, and they’ve been surprisingly up front about that vision. The first step is to cut taxes. The second is to cut government programs like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and much else.

But this tax bill itself doesn’t accomplish the second step (with the exception of some modest automatic cuts). Republicans will have to pass other bills to shrink programs that benefit the middle class. Democrats are already gearing up to have those debates, as they should be. A McClatchy news headline yesterday: “Dems warn GOP: We’re prepared for class war.” Debates over spending cuts are easier for Democrats to win than debates over tax policy.

Also, the middle-class tax increases that are lurking in the bill don’t take effect for years. There is time to reverse them, and to raise taxes on the rich too.

Meanwhile, the deficit increases won’t ruin the economy. The self-proclaimed deficit hawks voting for the Senate version of the bill, like Jeff Flake, are certainly being hypocritical. But the attention to their hypocrisy, deserved as it is, has obscured another problem: The (empty) rhetoric of those deficit hawks is wrongheaded, too.

“The tax bill is bad, the debt is fine,” as a Vox piece by Matthew Yglesias put it, arguing for the end of “a senseless state of debt panic.” Interest rates are low. The bond market doesn’t seem worried about the tax bill, just as it wasn’t worried about the deficit increases early in the Obama administration.

Eventually, the deficit and debt will be a problem, because the federal government still hasn’t figured out how to pay for baby boomer retirement. But the deficit is not our most urgent economic problem. (What is? Stagnant living standards for the majority of the population.) The tax bill is bad because of how it spends its money, not how much it spends.

Again, as I said at the outset, this tax bill is dreadful. It’s a huge handout to those Americans who least need one. I hope the bill doesn’t become law. If it does, I hope it is reversed as quickly as possible. I just don’t think the bill should be confused with some of the larger threats of the Trump era. And despite the rushed process, lies and hypocrisies that got it this far, I don’t think the bill should cause anyone to give up on politics...
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Your status quo is killing plenty of people already, whether or not the President is black. When the guillotines come out we'll all wonder if we just could have tweeted at the president more.

I did say, "let's do it", did I not, Robespierre?
 
I did say, "let's do it", did I not, Robespierre?
Unfortunately everyone, including comrade Bernie, knows that there will be no revolution as long as the proletariat are divided along tribal lines and distracted. The corporate and moneyed interests prefer it that way, as they always have. The indoctrination of American exceptionalism has made it so that poor white Americans all think themselves temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
 
"Tax policy swings back and forth with partisan control. Ronald Reagan cut taxes for the rich, and Bill Clinton raised them. George W. Bush cut taxes on the rich, and Barack Obama raised them. Now Trump is on the verge of cutting them again. Changes to the tax code are often ephemeral."

The difference is whenever the Dems raise the taxes on the rich, everyone acknowledges it. On the other side, Trump keeps saying that "this tax bill is very bad for me and my friends." As if money just appears out of thin air. It has to come from somewhere, and Trump has yet to be honest with where it is coming from. We know one thing is for sure, it will not be from the wealthy, as he keeps saying.
 
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Unfortunately yveryone, including comrade Bernie, knows that there will be no revolution as long as the proletariat are divided along tribal lines and distracted. The corporate and moneyed interests prefer it that way, as they always have. The indoctrination of American exceptionalism has made it so that poor white Americans all think themselves temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

lazy. It' not about being divided as much as a lack of commitment and courage. If ANTIFA can organize then surely the warriors for radical economic justice can gather this seething underclass you refer to. That sound facetious but where are your leaders? Why the lack of traction?
 
Can someone explain this pass through that they’ve shoved in there

Its mainly there to help certain types of businesses (Trump Organization, starting a restaurant, starting a clothing manufacturer) and not others (Accountants, lawyers). Supposed to help encourage taking risks. You have a slightly bigger upside if that juicery you want to own on the side turns a profit.

I certainly haven't hashed out everything, but the napkin math I have done towards it doesn't seem like there are too many huge loopholes to abuse, although someone will. Mainly, I found, the savings from the loopholes aren't worth the hassle.
 
"Tax policy swings back and forth with partisan control...and Barack Obama raised them...
That's conservative hack bullshit.


"I didn't raise taxes once."
— Barack Obama on Sunday, February 6th, 2011 in an interview on Super Bowl Sunday


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ident-barack-obama-says-he-didnt-raise-taxes/


Before we rule on this item, though, we should note that Obama has not raised income taxes. Thanks to a compromise he brokered with Republicans at the end of 2010, income tax rates are staying the same for people of all incomes. Obama had favored raising taxes on high earners, but he gave up on that as part of the tax deal. In exchange, he gained a a 2 percent reduction in payroll taxes for all workers. When you combine that with small tax cuts that were part of the economic stimulus, most taxpayers have seen reduced rates under Obama's administration.

-He signed legislation raising taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products soon after taking office

-More significantly, the health care law includes new taxes on the wealthy, starting in 2013. Individuals who make more than $200,000 and couples that make more than $250,000 will see additional Medicare taxes of 0.9 percent. They will also, for the first time, have to pay Medicare taxes on their investment income at a 3.8 percent rate. (Current law is that all workers and employers split a 2.9 percent Medicare tax; the self-employed pay all of it.)
 
What this thread is showing is lump the far left in with the fuck em group where the rubes who voted for someone directly against their on interests reside. So fuck the social programs that will be cut because of tax cuts for people like me, I’ll be like Palma and enjoy my money.
 
Your status quo is killing plenty of people already, whether or not the President is black. When the guillotines come out we'll all wonder if we just could have tweeted at the president more.

As linked earlier, poverty is decreasing in the world as income inequality rises. The only way to get income inequality back to where it was would be to dis-invent technology and the internet. Life is getting worse for the relatively unskilled American, however. But it's getting better for the Burmese.
 
What this thread is showing is lump the far left in with the fuck em group where the rubes who voted for someone directly against their on interests reside. So fuck the social programs that will be cut because of tax cuts for people like me, I’ll be like Palma and enjoy my money.

This is such lazy analysis. People on the left that are mobilizing for medicare for all are also trying to help preserve the ACA. It's not an either/or.
 
Under the Senate plan all the restrictions on services like accounting and law as well as the W-2 limitations wouldn't apply to any taxpayer who makes five hundred thousand or less married filing jointly or 250000 or less single
 
lazy. It' not about being divided as much as a lack of commitment and courage. If ANTIFA can organize then surely the warriors for radical economic justice can gather this seething underclass you refer to. That sound facetious but where are your leaders? Why the lack of traction?
Lots to unpack in that:

- ANTIFA are an extremely small, loose coalition of civil rights protestors with no political power or direction. They're basically a toothless political flash mob.

- There are massive economic protests every few years that take on individual political slants - the occupy wall street probably being the most well known. BLM has a heavy economic component, as do the DREAM protestors, Standing Rock, and every major city riot in the last 5 years

- The protests and occupations which helped prevent the Obamacare repeal were economic based, massive, and nationwide.

- It's stupid (and disengenious) to expect a massive organized protest against economic inequality after those type of organizations have been beaten down, outlawed, discouraged, and politically neutered with regulation for the past 70 years. Union protesters in the 1920's were being murdered or having their heads beaten in, and economic inequality is more extreme now then it was then. The expectation that people should be putting their lives and livelihoods on the line to show the worthiness of their cause is ridiculous, especially when you are perfectly accepting of corporate lobbyists writing political policy
 
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Lots to unpack in that:

- ANTIFA are an extremely small, loose coalition of civil rights protestors with no political power or direction. They're basically a toothless political flash mob.

- They're are massive economic protests every few years that take on individual political slants - the occupy wall street probably being the most well known. BLM has a heavy economic component, as do the DREAM protestors, Standing Rock, and every major city riot in the last 5 years

- The protests and occupations which helped prevent the Obamacare repeal were economic based, massive, and nationwide.

- It's stupid (and disengenious) to expect a massive organized protest against economic inequality after those type of organizations have been beaten down, outlawed, discouraged, and politically neutered with regulation for the past 70 years. Union protesters in the 1920's were being murdered or having their heads beaten in, and econimic inequality is more extreme now then it was then. The expectation that people should be putting their lives and livelihoods on the line to show the worthiness of their cause is ridiculous, especially when you are perfectly accepting of corporate lobbyists writing political policy

i'm not talking about protests, i'm talking about action. like the anarchists of the last century.
 
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