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Official 2018 NBA Offseason Thread: the preseason cometh

TownieDeac said:
Probably don't want to get into this but starting when? MCW was ROTY at the 11th pick and turned basically into Fultz. Then Embiid. Then Elfrid Payton turned into Dario. Then Jah, Ben, Fultz.

I still really only think of Jahlil as a miss, unless you're talking about all the second rounders. Too early yet to call Fultz a miss, obviously. Some good looking prospects from the second rounders too (Holmes, Korkmaz, Bolden).

And the Sixers could lose 30 more games this season and still make the playoffs in the East, so it sorta seems like things are going right? Guess it depends on what you're asking for in terms of productivity.
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Yeah. I guess it depends on expectations. But if you want to start with 2013, that's 5 drafts of picking lottery including four Top 3 picks. A few bottom 1st round picks and a ton of 2nd rounders. Add trading for Noel too. And you're satisfied with just making the playoffs after that?

The Warriors built a dynasty with far less opportunity over four drafts. I guess the best defense is these may have been weak draft classes overall. Giannis is the only generational superstar to emerge so far. But still, man. That's a lot of chances for so few hits.
 
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Warriors are a bit of the exception imo rather than the rule. Plenty of teams have drafted better and worse than the Sixers, I'd say. Wizards are probably a decent comparison, getting Beal, Porter, Wall with high picks and "settling" for making the playoffs. Plenty of other teams mired around the 8 seed year in and year out never really getting much better or worse. Say what you will, at least there was some direction, even if not everything has worked out. Covington is pretty much a case in point that maximizing assets means you'll find something eventually.

Maybe it's a year off what your expectation of a schedule should look like but adding s big FA to this young core should absolutely make them a contender. The Embiid injury was foreseeable, but Simmons and Fultz never had injury histories to speak of before the drafts, that's just Sixers hoodoo. As much as I hate the Celtics, I admire their build. I think plenty of fanbases would have stuck with the 2013 core of MCW, Wroten, Thad Young, and Nerlens Noel and tried to grind that into a perpetual 6-8 seed. But you can't seriously argue the current core isn't so much better. Superteams have just warped what it means to contend.
 
PhDeac said:
Yeah. I guess it depends on expectations. But if you want to start with 2013, that's 5 drafts of picking lottery including four Top 3 picks. A few bottom 1st round picks and a ton of 2nd rounders. Add trading for Noel too. And you're satisfied with just making the playoffs after that?

The Warriors built a dynasty with far less opportunity over four drafts. I guess the best defense is these may have been weak draft classes overall. Giannis is the only generational superstar to emerge so far. But still, man. That's a lot of chances for so few hits.
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Warriors had 5 straight drafts in the lottery and three top 7 picks. Keys for them were finding Draymond in the second round, hiring the perfect coach for their roster, and taking advantage of salary cap luck.

That’s why “The Process” was always going to be risky. The Sixers should be pretty happy that they appear to have two future All-NBA players.

And keep in mind that it took the Warriors six years to become a contender after drafting Steph. I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Sixers contending in 2020 (six years after drafting Embiid).
 
Coangelo and Brown really screwed the pooch on their handling of Okafor. They could have gotten much more than an expiring contract for him and Niky. How they messed up not being able to at least get a 1st round pick is almost incomprehensible.

All the dumb plays JJ made last night almost made it look like he was throwing the game. He was god-awful.
 
Nikky Shooter. He looked good last year but don't see him getting much run in Brooklyn either. #TradeableAssets
 
Hard for me to believe that no one knew about Fultz's shoulder before the draft
 
Of course, the trade had to be made last year. It was a huge fuck-up not to.
 
Or maybe just listened to everybody on the boards except Palma and not drafted Okafor.

Crazy that a franchise in rebuilding mode gave up on a 22 year old who was a stellar HS and college player. I totally get it but it really is nuts.
 
I think a lot of people were fine with Oak at #3.

I know I thought it was the right pick at the time.
 
Maybe they traded him to BKN to make the Nets good enough that the Celtics won't get a Top 7 pick.
 
Something that is flying under the radar is that the Spurs are 17-8 without Kawhi and just getting Parker back. That's insane. This may be Pop's best coaching job.
 
Sixers were in the Top 3 or so hardest schedules after 16 games.
 
TownieDeac said:
Fwiw they've played the 27th hardest schedule to date. Pop is still ridic though.
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Pop and his system should be enough to get the 3/4 seed even if the Twolves or Thunder start to figure it out, but the gap between the Spurs and HOU/GSW right now is huge and I’m not sure a healthy kawhi is enough to close that gap.

Their main issue is that they have reverted back to the stereotype they have been fighting the last 8 years. They are slow and mediocre on offense and have been trending in that direction for several years.
 
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