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Official 2017 College football thread

wsc8521s said:
NC State and Georgia Tech also both significantly outplayed South Carolina and Tennessee respectively as well, but luck was not on their side.

Nine ACC teams in the Sagarin top 41. Only five SEC ones
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NC State did not outplay USC.
 
BiffTannen said:
NC State did not outplay USC.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but they absolutely did.

Total yards were 504 to 246. 29 first downs to 12. South Carolina could not run the ball at all (31 yards on 21 carries).

They did, however, cash in on two NCSU turnovers for 14 points (and ran the opening kickoff back to the house).
 
Alabama and Georgia both being in the playoff isn't because SEC as a whole > ACC as a whole. It's because of the way the teams at the top ended up. Say Bama beat Auburn and then Georgia, and say Miami beat Pitt but then loses to Clemson. In that case, much more likely to have Clemson, Miami, and Bama in the playoff. Committee isn't looking at NCSU/USC and GT/Tenn if it's between 1-loss Bama and 2-loss Miami.
 
BiffTannen said:
NC State did not outplay USC.
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DeacsATS said:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but they absolutely did.

Total yards were 504 to 246. 29 first downs to 12. South Carolina could not run the ball at all (31 yards on 21 carries).

They did, however, cash in on two NCSU turnovers for 14 points (and ran the opening kickoff back to the house).
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Yeah, State had no business losing that game, but in true WolfPack fashion they did.
 
timthedeac said:
Alabama and Georgia both being in the playoff isn't because SEC as a whole > ACC as a whole. It's because of the way the teams at the top ended up. Say Bama beat Auburn and then Georgia, and say Miami beat Pitt but then loses to Clemson. In that case, much more likely to have Clemson, Miami, and Bama in the playoff. Committee isn't looking at NCSU/USC and GT/Tenn if it's between 1-loss Bama and 2-loss Miami.
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I am just sayin that the SEC is always gonna generate more money in football than any other conference (regardless of the year), mainly because that is all they care about.
 
I mean, Samuel singlehandedly beat State all night, but if you don't include his running back the opening kickoff on your asses, and catching two TD passes including a 40-yarder, State wins easily.

Maybe you think that fumbling and giving the other team a short field to work with is outplaying them. (It's not.)
 
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BiffTannen said:
I mean, Samuel singlehandedly beat State all night, but if you don't include his running back the opening kickoff on your asses, and catching two TD passes including a 40-yarder, State wins easily.
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3pm kickoff on September 2nd, 2017. Not at night. Entire argument is invalid.
 
Shea Patterson, #1 ranked QB in 2016, is transferring to Michigan from Ole Miss. NCAA has announced that all rising Ole Miss seniors are free to transfer without having to sit out, but not underclassmen.

He'll have to apply for a separate waiver, which I really don't see why he'd get - a one year bowl ban certainly hasn't resulted in free transfers for other teams in the past. I'm sure Harbaugh and co will ensure it goes through, though, and continue to be mired in mediocrity.
 
Y'all are a bunch of ACC homers. I didn't realize how much a game between two average football teams would play so much into the ACC little-man psyche.
 
Kinda think its the oppo, you've been hyping poo teams like Kentucky and South Carolina on the reg this year
 
I'd say this board has a lot invested in Clemson's success over the past few years.
 
BiffTannen said:
I'd say this board has a lot invested in Clemson's success over the past few years.
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Ehhh, pretty sure fans of teams like Tenn, UGA before this year, Ole Miss, etc. love to hype up the SEC based on Bama's success.
 
tigerswood said:
Ehhh, pretty sure fans of teams like Tenn, UGA before this year, Ole Miss, etc. love to hype up the SEC based on Bama's success.
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But the SEC almost always has at least one other team in contention. And if it's not Alabama, it's Florida, or Auburn, or LSU. And Alabama denied a lot of those teams, including Georgia, a shot at the national championship over the past 25 years, or vice versa. That's not something that's happened in the ACC. The Clemson/FSU game usually isn't that big of a deal because they're not both REALLY good at the same time.
 
wsc8521s said:
NC State and Georgia Tech also both significantly outplayed South Carolina and Tennessee respectively as well, but luck was not on their side.

Nine ACC teams in the Sagarin top 41. Only five SEC ones
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Not luck but coaching was not on NC State & UNC's side when they played South Carolina in Charlotte. Was at both games and both Fedora & Doeren both sucked.
Figure out the stats any way you want this year, the ACC is not better than the SEC this year. The ACC was much better last year but this year, no way.
 
Biggus Deacus said:
I regret to inform you that my #s are correct Reff. I'm talking about Power 5 conference teams, i.e., teams in Power 5 conferences, not Independents like ND or BYU. Take the ACC's record of 1-4 out against ND and you get 8-9. Take out SEC record of 2-0 against BYU and 1-0 against ND and you get 6-9 against Power 5 conferences, not 5-9, your #s are off there. I mean, you're # from 247 on SEC vs P5 is 7-8, which is also wrong, not sure how closely you read the article, but at least you got the correct # of losses right.

Say what you want about ND, but it played 5 games against the ACC, 2 at home, and the next closest was 2 games against the PAC 12, 1 home, 1 away. If ND is going to be considered for a list like this, they're closer to being in the ACC than not.

Nonetheless, glad you can copy and paste an article. Dig a little deeper next time.
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Sorry but Notre Dame is considered a Power 5 team. They also grab one of our bowl spots in the New Years 6 just like a Power 5 team. Sorry, but you do not take ND's games against the ACC out of our record. Nice try but it doesn't work that way. Next time you might want to research college football just a little deeper as to who is a power team and who is not. Notre Dame in, BYU not. ARMY & Navy not. But good try. You are like Ph, no guts no glory I guess.
 
PhDeac said:
So much wrong in one post.

First, that's not a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's not even a prophecy.

The self-fulfilling prophecy I mentioned was that the SEC is highly regarded based on polls which are the result of people highly regarding the SEC before a game has been played.

Second, your stat is not the same as mine.

Third, your stat barely applies to the argument.

First round picks are a small subset of total NFL players. They're likely ones who had the best college careers. For that reason, number of 1st round picks by conference is a good indicator of conference strength.

Also we are talking about the ACC passing the SEC recently. Players who entered the league 10+ years ago hardly address the recent success of the ACC and SEC.


The SEC led in a major way in the first round of the 2017 draft, so I was definitely wrong for this year.
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"you think the ACC has passed the SEC in NFL players." That is not a statement of recent past, that is just a statement that is flat wrong. The actual numbers were as of opening day 358 SEC players in the NFL to 250 ACC players in the NFL. Not even close. And in fact the ACC regressed from the past year in 1st round draft picks vs. the SEC. But try again as you go to you high powered English as you can't win on the actual sports facts when comparing the ACC to the SEC whether it is the past 10 years or the past 50 years.
 
TheReff said:
Sorry but Notre Dame is considered a Power 5 team. They also grab one of our bowl spots in the New Years 6 just like a Power 5 team. Sorry, but you do not take ND's games against the ACC out of our record. Nice try but it doesn't work that way. Next time you might want to research college football just a little deeper as to who is a power team and who is not. Notre Dame in, BYU not. ARMY & Navy not. But good try. You are like Ph, no guts no glory I guess.
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You have to be a member of a Power 5 conference to be a Power 5 team by definition. ND is not one, which is why they say the name of a Power 5 conference/team followed by "or Notre Dame." I take ND's record against the ACC out because it is not a Power 5 team. And ND doesn't grab the ACC spot in a New Year's bowl, it gets to play the ACC team in the OB if the circumstances allow. The next highest ranked ACC team gets in if the highest ranked one goes to the playoff. Also, I actually didn't need to do any research to discover that your vaunted power squad was 4-8 last year. Best 4-8 team in the country I'm sure.

Regardless, I'll go down the rabbit hole with this crap. You want to argue about ND's status as a Power 5 team. I'll say it's well on its way to becoming one.

Let's start with how ND piggybacks on the ACC for bowls other than the big ones. ND also plays over half of an ACC conference schedule (8 or 9 games depending on the P5 conference) and are full members of the ACC in all other sports. ND plays 3 more games against the ACC than the Pac 12 and 4 more than against any of the other Power 5 conferences.

Like I said before, they're more like an ACC team than not. If ND wants to be a Power 5 team, join a Power 5 conference. ND is well over halfway to joining the ACC already, but not a Power 5 team yet. It's that simple. ND's been trying to walk the line of maintaining football independence while getting some of the benefits of football conference affiliation. ND doesn't get all the benefits because it is not a member of a Power 5 conference.

Otherwise, you're still wrong with your #s. If you want to keep ND and shed BYU for SEC vs P5, you're at 7-9 and still wrong.
 
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