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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Charles Coleman de-commits to Wake. :(

The IQ of this board makes the basketball IQ on the hardwood look high in comparison.
 
I don't know if the McGowen kid will go to state. They already have a bunch of guards. They have 8 Guards on the roster plus Blake Harris
 
If I was a coach, I would offer ANY big who listed their three favorite players as Ben Wallace, Boris Diaw, and Brian Scalabrine. Kid must have personality. Plus, it seems he looks like Boris Diaw age 35, has the game of a young Ben Wallace, and I have no idea how he resembles Brian Scalabrine, but I hope it is personality.

As an aside, Brian Scalabrine played on one of the best starting 5s of NCAA teams not named Kentucky, AZ, UCLA, Duke or North Carolina in the last 25 years:

Scalabrine averaged nearly 20pts a game all three years there
Sam Clancy was a short center who got some NBA PT
David Bluthenthal was a sharp shooting long SF/PF, a biracial Jewish kid who played a couple of years in the NBA if memory serves before going to Israel and Europe to make great money
Jeff Trepagnier who was a long high flying SG who blew out his knee I think, right before the NCAA tourney, but still fought back and played 5 years or so in the NBA before going overseas
He was replaced by Desmond Farmer, who was a frosh, and went on to average 20+ for three seasons before also playing in the NBA and then overseas.
Their 5th starter was Brandon Granville who was an assist machine but was only 5'9" so a great college player, no pro game as I recall.

That is 5 future NBA players on one roster. It was a cliff dive after them though as far as their bench. One of them gets hurt (as he did) or gets in foul trouble (as CLancy often did) and they were in trouble. Scalabrine played 30 pounds overweight a lot of the time and still dominated.
 
jaybone said:
If I was a coach, I would offer ANY big who listed their three favorite players as Ben Wallace, Boris Diaw, and Brian Scalabrine. Kid must have personality. Plus, it seems he looks like Boris Diaw age 35, has the game of a young Ben Wallace, and I have no idea how he resembles Brian Scalabrine, but I hope it is personality.

As an aside, Brian Scalabrine played on one of the best starting 5s of NCAA teams not named Kentucky, AZ, UCLA, Duke or North Carolina in the last 25 years:

Scalabrine averaged nearly 20pts a game all three years there
Sam Clancy was a short center who got some NBA PT
David Bluthenthal was a sharp shooting long SF/PF, a biracial Jewish kid who played a couple of years in the NBA if memory serves before going to Israel and Europe to make great money
Jeff Trepagnier who was a long high flying SG who blew out his knee I think, right before the NCAA tourney, but still fought back and played 5 years or so in the NBA before going overseas
He was replaced by Desmond Farmer, who was a frosh, and went on to average 20+ for three seasons before also playing in the NBA and then overseas.
Their 5th starter was Brandon Granville who was an assist machine but was only 5'9" so a great college player, no pro game as I recall.

That is 5 future NBA players on one roster. It was a cliff dive after them though as far as their bench. One of them gets hurt (as he did) or gets in foul trouble (as CLancy often did) and they were in trouble. Scalabrine played 30 pounds overweight a lot of the time and still dominated.
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Yep, give me a kid with a high motor who needs someone to teach him some big man skills like Manning can and I am good to go. Also see Colonel Angus post about his offers.
 
Lol at people freaking out about losing our 9th man, who was ranked outside the top 250, (at a stacked position) and then freaking out some more when Manning uses the scholarship to take a flyer on a recruit outside the top 250 at a position of need.

If he comes, this kid will either develop into a solid backup or transfer in two years. And isn’t this preferable to a grad transfer that Manning will overplay? If all of the transfer rumors are true, I’d rather see Manning commit to his top 7 (Moore, Craw, Hoard, Chaundee, Sarr, Chill, Mucius) and backfill the bench as best he can.
 
jaybone said:
If I was a coach, I would offer ANY big who listed their three favorite players as Ben Wallace, Boris Diaw, and Brian Scalabrine. Kid must have personality. Plus, it seems he looks like Boris Diaw age 35, has the game of a young Ben Wallace, and I have no idea how he resembles Brian Scalabrine, but I hope it is personality.

As an aside, Brian Scalabrine played on one of the best starting 5s of NCAA teams not named Kentucky, AZ, UCLA, Duke or North Carolina in the last 25 years:

Scalabrine averaged nearly 20pts a game all three years there
Sam Clancy was a short center who got some NBA PT
David Bluthenthal was a sharp shooting long SF/PF, a biracial Jewish kid who played a couple of years in the NBA if memory serves before going to Israel and Europe to make great money
Jeff Trepagnier who was a long high flying SG who blew out his knee I think, right before the NCAA tourney, but still fought back and played 5 years or so in the NBA before going overseas
He was replaced by Desmond Farmer, who was a frosh, and went on to average 20+ for three seasons before also playing in the NBA and then overseas.
Their 5th starter was Brandon Granville who was an assist machine but was only 5'9" so a great college player, no pro game as I recall.

That is 5 future NBA players on one roster. It was a cliff dive after them though as far as their bench. One of them gets hurt (as he did) or gets in foul trouble (as CLancy often did) and they were in trouble. Scalabrine played 30 pounds overweight a lot of the time and still dominated.
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Salabrine, like Manning, keeps his skin looking young with @DoveMenCare

 
RChildress107 said:
Lol at people freaking out about losing our 9th man, who was ranked outside the top 250, (at a stacked position) and then freaking out some more when Manning uses the scholarship to take a flyer on a recruit outside the top 250 at a position of need.

If he comes, this kid will either develop into a solid backup or transfer in two years. And isn’t this preferable to a grad transfer that Manning will overplay? If all of the transfer rumors are true, I’d rather see Manning commit to his top 7 (Moore, Craw, Hoard, Chaundee, Sarr, Chill, Mucius) and backfill the bench as best he can.
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Stacked position? We don't have any real PFs on scholarship at all. He also would've been the highest returning 3p% shooter on the roster from this past season. Lorng is not a strong recruit at all, and is not even ACC caliber. Mitchell was one of the few bright spots on this year's team as he actually developed and showed potential. You should quit defending indefensible positions, it gives you no credibility.
 
I'll save you the RChil hammer and say Mitchell was a 3 playing out of position at the 4.
 
Well at least we aren’t Pitt with 8 players transferring. Gotta think their new coach will be on any available prospects.
 
Demonwolverine said:
I'll save you the RChil hammer and say Mitchell was a 3 playing out of position at the 4.
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Except the staff played him exclusively at the 4, and he had no chance of ever being a 3 in the ACC because he was too slow. Regardless he would've been of more value as a pick and pop 4 off the bench than the current offer is as a backup 5. Mitchell's offensive rating and defensive rating actually went up this year despite the regression seen by most players on this team. Not saying he's a huge loss or would've been our savior but I'd rather keep a guy who can develop himself under shitty coaching during a down season, because those are the type of guys that come off the bench and surprise you by the time they are seniors.

But sure Manning defenders, lets talk about this brilliant offer, potentially locking up a non-ACC caliber 5 for the next four years. That's great recruiting strategy! Or if he doesn't work out (most likely) he can transfer after 2 and keep DM's attrition % high. This is a blatant last-minute scramble bad offer, if you can't see that you should stay off the recruiting boards.
 
RChildress107 said:
This. Regardless of how you define it, Mitchell plays the same position as Hoard and Mucius, both top 100 recruits.
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I suppose since Brown was typically used as 3/Wing he should transfer out too. Must be too crowded. Mitchell was an undersized stretch 4 who came off the bench - Not the same as Mucius and Hoard. But watch in all his wisdom Danny will squander the wing athleticism he is bringing in and play them out of position at the 4 too.
 
netflixnchildres said:
Stacked position? We don't have any real PFs on scholarship at all. He also would've been the highest returning 3p% shooter on the roster from this past season. Lorng is not a strong recruit at all, and is not even ACC caliber. Mitchell was one of the few bright spots on this year's team as he actually developed and showed potential. You should quit defending indefensible positions, it gives you no credibility.
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Neither was Mitchell, which was my point. I would prefer to have Mitchell on next year’s team, but I’m not going to freak out over his loss.

My preference would be to have Sarr/Moore give us 15 min together and play the other 25 with one of them on the floor and two long, rangy, athletic guys interchangeably at the 3/4. With Mitchell gone that’s not feasible.

But I’m also fine with committing to Sarr as our 4 and trying to squeeze some minutes at backup C out of Sunday and whoever we can pick up at the last minute. Neither is ideal.
 
RChildress107 said:
Neither was Mitchell, which was my point. I would prefer to have Mitchell on next year’s team, but I’m not going to freak out over his loss.

My preference would be to have Sarr/Moore give us 15 min together and play the other 25 with one of them on the floor and two long, rangy, athletic guys interchangeably at the 3/4. With Mitchell gone that’s not feasible.

But I’m also fine with committing to Sarr as our 4 and trying to squeeze some minutes at backup C out of Sunday and whoever we can pick up at the last minute. Neither is ideal.
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So you believe Manning can turn this thing around because he is such a strong recruiter, yet you concede that he is not bringing in ACC-caliber recruits? Illogical!
 
netflixnchildres said:
I suppose since Brown was typically used as 3/Wing he should transfer out too. Must be too crowded. Mitchell was an undersized stretch 4 who came off the bench - Not the same as Mucius and Hoard. But watch in all his wisdom Danny will squander the wing athleticism he is bringing in and play them out of position at the 4 too.
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Chaundee is a 2 capable of playing the 3, Hoard and Mitchell are 3s capable of playing the 4. Mucius probably needs to bulk up to fit that description. We don’t have a true 4. But we do have a 3/4 (Hoard) and a 4/5 (Sarr) with way more upside than Mitchell. I suspect that’s a large reason why he left.
 
netflixnchildres said:
Except the staff played him exclusively at the 4, and he had no chance of ever being a 3 in the ACC because he was too slow. Regardless he would've been of more value as a pick and pop 4 off the bench than the current offer is as a backup 5. Mitchell's offensive rating and defensive rating actually went up this year despite the regression seen by most players on this team. Not saying he's a huge loss or would've been our savior but I'd rather keep a guy who can develop himself under shitty coaching during a down season, because those are the type of guys that come off the bench and surprise you by the time they are seniors.

But sure Manning defenders, lets talk about this brilliant offer, potentially locking up a non-ACC caliber 5 for the next four years. That's great recruiting strategy! Or if he doesn't work out (most likely) he can transfer after 2 and keep DM's attrition % high. This is a blatant last-minute scramble bad offer, if you can't see that you should stay off the recruiting boards.
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This is great. Even when a guy gets better, it's not because of the coaches.
 
Well if we are being honest. This incoming class has two kids i think will be good. The two guards i do not have not faith in. But if any of the players surprise us it will be Lewis. I don't mind if we take a chance on a kid and he transfers. its better than us striking out on kid after kid
 
netflixnchildres said:
So you believe Manning can turn this thing around because he is such a strong recruiter, yet you concede that he is not bringing in ACC-caliber recruits? Illogical!
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Facepalm


Jesus Christ. Every coach outside of the blue bloods routinely fills out their roster by taking flyers on low ranked guys they think might have potential. Most of those guys end up sucking, transfer out, and are replaced by similar throw aways. Occasionally, however, they pan out.

Are you new to college basketball or something?
 
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