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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

That’s what primaries are for. Vote them out in the primaries and then show up in the general to vote for them if your candidate loses.
 
I think it was the pre-Trump complacency allowed sucky incumbent Dems to stick around without challenge. It's because of the Trump wake-up call that Lipinski is facing a tough challenger and people are paying attention to the race.

I've talked before about how my state representative voted for the gerrymandered PA maps because they protected my US representative. Both have announced they are not running for reelection after facing credible challengers. (Each have hand-picked successors that are running, and the new maps have me in a different incumbent's district, but you get the idea.)
 
PhDeac said:
That’s what primaries are for. Vote them out in the primaries and then show up in the general to vote for them if your candidate loses.
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The access isnt the problem, it's the fairness. The DCCC and DNC have their damn thumb on the scale, and try to swing every fucking primary to the most conservative candidate, even in safe races. Then people like you critisize third party voters as spoilers. You don't want a progressive third party to split the liberal vote, but you also don't think its a legitimate problem that the party actively opposes progressive candidates.
 
'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

That’s an exaggeration. They don’t try to swing every primary. And you’re giving the largely ineffective party machine too much credit.
 
I've provided plenty of evidence of that occuring in many races. I'm reading an article about it right now in Colorados 6th district where the DCCC is pressuring the progressive Levi Tilleman to drop out of the primary because they want Jason Crow to win it. You don't need any more evidence. You don't think it's a problem so no amount of evidence is enough for you.
 
DeaconSig said:
Pubs did the same thing. Tea party wack jobs didn’t care and voted in their candidates.
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Seems more relevant to the GOP thread, go post about it over there. We're talking about the Democratic party here.
 
It’s because you don’t realize you are the same thing, the extreme. Think about how your views look when 50% or so already oppose the democrat platforms, throw in the moderate democrats that also oppose it and well yeah.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I've provided plenty of evidence of that occuring in many races. I'm reading an article about it right now in Colorados 6th district where the DCCC is pressuring the progressive Levi Tilleman to drop out of the primary because they want Jason Crow to win it. You don't need any more evidence. You don't think it's a problem so no amount of evidence is enough for you.
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I think it’s a problem but I don’t think it’s a reason to abandon the party or not show up in the general. And I realize the party machine is largely ineffective and can be easily overcome by voting in the primaries.

All your complaining does is breed discontent and discourage progressives from showing up in the general election and that is a much bigger problem.
 
Oh my goodness! Pelosi endorsed someone progressives don’t like! What can they possibly do?

Oh. They can vote. Simple solution. So it’s no big deal.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
It’s because you don’t realize you are the same thing, the extreme. Think about how your views look when 50% or so already oppose the democrat platforms, throw in the moderate democrats that also oppose it and well yeah.
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Are you even a Democrat to begin with? Anyway. The party and the platform are not the same thing, and you know that. It's also very disengenious of you to pretend that left progressiveness is just a further extreme of establishment Democrat politics. That's not the case at all. There is nothing extreme or partisan about rejecting corruption or lobbyist controlled politics. You accept corporate politics because its satisfactory for you. You call it "pragmatic" because it's always been that way and you don't have the imagination to envision any other way.

This conversation doesn't even happen if the DCCC & DNC didn't claim to be unbiased. They're biased. The direction of the party is not truly democratically controlled, and any claim to be is a lie.
 
But it is. It’s controlled by voting for whoever you want to vote for in the primaries.
 
It's weird to me that Pelosi thinks that this helps either her or Lipinski. Does she not have a good grasp on her popularity? I'm told that she's good a whipping votes, but she hasn't been a good face of the party in a while.
 
PhDeac said:
But it is. It’s controlled by voting for whoever you want to vote for in the primaries.
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When the party itself is openly campaigning against one of thr candidates, that's not Democratic. Jesus. Turkey and Russia have "elections", are you going to claim those are legitimate Democracies?
 
deactherunner said:
It's weird to me that Pelosi thinks that this helps either her or Lipinski. Does she not have a good grasp on her popularity? I'm told that she's good a whipping votes, but she hasn't been a good face of the party in a while.
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She's not out campaigning for him, she was asked if she supported him and said "yes." She's not on the list of endorsements on his website.

And my guess would be that it has more to do with keeping the peace with other Dems that are upset and angry that the DCCC didn't endorse Lipinski. He's been in Congress for 13 years. He has some friends in the party even if he sucks. (Which he does.)
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
When the party itself is openly campaigning against one of thr candidates, that's not Democratic. Jesus. Turkey and Russia have "elections", are you going to claim those are legitimate Democracies?
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Dude. You are too far gone if you’re comparing DCCC endorsements to Putin.
 
PhDeac said:
Dude. You are too far gone if you’re comparing DCCC endorsements to Putin.
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Its an exaggerated comparison, dont be dense. Electioneering is unethical at every level, not just when Russians buy facebook ads.
 
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