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CNN Townhall with Parkland Students, Rubio, NRA and others

 
PhDeac said:
Yep. Also American individualism is an issue. I've had some disturbing conversations with friends who are gun owners and their friends where they say something to the effect of "It doesn't have anything to do with me if somebody gets shot. That's their responsibility. They should carry a gun like I do if they want to prevent gun violence."

Of course, that ignores the fact that pretty much every law on the books is a mutual shared sacrifice because some people are bad actors. I can't legally drive 90 mph on the highway because we can't trust many drivers to do it safely.
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Yeah and this doesn't even get all the way to "manifest destiny, God loves America most, God wants Americans to have guns" which is where plenty of people in my extended family and went to high school with are.
 
David Hogg's lil sis spits fire like her big bro. Only a freshman.
 
What a classy broad:

 
Keep in mind, that's a 4.1 out of like 7 or whatever nowadays.
 
One of the many dumb things about that line of attack is that he's said he's taking a gap year. You don't think he'll get into any college he wants a year from now?
 
avalon said:
One of the many dumb things about that line of attack is that he's said he's taking a gap year. You don't think he'll get into any college he wants a year from now?
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I think they're claiming he's taking a gap year because he didn't get into the schools he wanted to get into. That may be the case. Problem with that is that it's a perfectly acceptable thing for a kid to do and not worth criticizing.
 
PhDeac said:
I think they're claiming he's taking a gap year because he didn't get into the schools he wanted to get into. That may be the case. Problem with that is that it's a perfectly acceptable thing for a kid to do and not worth criticizing.
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Yeah, I gotta say, taking a year and building experience while improving his application strength doesn't sound dumb to me.
 
Right. And I wouldn't be surprised if more young people do it in election years if this movement takes off. A "gap year" could be taking one or two classes at the local community college, working part-time, living at home to save some money, while volunteering for campaigns.
 
avalon said:
Yeah, I gotta say, taking a year and building experience while improving his application strength doesn't sound dumb to me.
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I don't think it can be emphasized enough at how disgusting it is to attack high school kids - high school kids! - who are doing what every good civics class teaches kids to do, and who very recently saw seventeen of their classmates murdered in cold blood. If you want to disagree with their views on guns and criticize those views on that basis, fine, but to go after them personally like this is loathsome, imo. These aren't hardened adult politicians or TV network talking heads spouting the day's talking points. IMO, it really says something about the state of modern politics and society that these kids, instead of being applauded for their activism and interest after a terrible tragedy they witnessed (however one feels about the views they're expressing), have instead just become more targets for Fox, the NRA, and the other usual social and news media suspects to grind up and go after on a personal basis. Just my two cents.
 
One of the interesting benefits of the Trump era is being able to enjoy some of the writing of conservatives. The more sane and decent ones who rightly bemoan Trump’s rise and the accelerating (and only partly related) ruination of the Republican party.

Anyhow, here’s a piece about the march that is pretty good: Jennifer Rubin: They came, they marched, they inspired
 
[h=1]Teaching after tragedy: The Parkland teacher who sowed the seeds of a movement[/h][h=1]Teaching after tragedy: The Parkland teacher who sowed the seeds of a movement[/h]

Marjory Stoneman Douglas AP government teacher Jeff Foster has taught Emma Gonzalez, Delaney Tarr, and David Hogg. His key lesson, the one that they have carried forth over the last six weeks, is simple and powerful: if you don’t participate, you can’t complain. It’s a lesson that was on full display this weekend, as the Parkland movement swept over the country in the March for our Lives.
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/teach...o-sowed-the-seeds-of-a-movement-1194971715580
 
PhDeac said:
There’s a lot of nuts out there. Plus conservative media are portraying him sympathetically claiming that he was bullied and he wouldn’t have murdered 17 people if his classmates have been nice to him.
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Listen, he was no doubt bullied by his classmates. That's probably why he tried perversely to strike back by shooting up the school. His natural mother IIRC was a drug addict, who took drugs while she was pregnant with him and then - also IIRC - after he was born sold him. His parents and the authorities failed him repeatedly. This has nothing to do with any sympathy for him. It's the reality of his life and our ineffective institutions. He should have been institutionalized because he was obviously deeply disturbed and never should have been allowed near a gun, much less to own one. The level of failure here right up to the moment of the shooting on all levels and all counts is massive.
 
Sailor has been supportive of the need for gun control measures on here, so I don’t want this post to be misconstrued to be about him.

I do find it odd that folks who are so insistent that we can’t infringe on their 2A rights seem so comfortable with the idea of imprisoning folks for their potential to commit crimes. I’m not saying we don’t need to institutionalize folks with these warning signs, it seems like we probably do. However, it seems to me to be a much more complicated and nuanced issue than gun control. It’s strange to me that folks who insist they need their guns to protect against tyranny seem so comfortable with imprisoning people without actual crimes being committed. You don’t think a tyrannical government would recommend insurrectionists be committed?
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Sailor has been supportive of the need for gun control measures on here, so I don’t want this post to be misconstrued to be about him.

I do find it odd that folks who are so insistent that we can’t infringe on their 2A rights seem so comfortable with the idea of imprisoning folks for their potential to commit crimes. I’m not saying we don’t need to institutionalize folks with these warning signs, it seems like we probably do. However, it seems to me to be a much more complicated and nuanced issue than gun control. It’s strange to me that folks who insist they need their guns to protect against tyranny seem so comfortable with imprisoning people without actual crimes being committed. You don’t think a tyrannical government would recommend insurrectionists be committed?
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They aren’t comfortable with it. It’s a distraction. They wouldn’t support taking away the gun rights of someone like Cruz. Conservatives only support law enforcement taking people’s guns through stop and frisk or from their cold dead hands.
 
sailordeac said:
Listen, he was no doubt bullied by his classmates. That's probably why he tried perversely to strike back by shooting up the school. His natural mother IIRC was a drug addict, who took drugs while she was pregnant with him and then - also IIRC - after he was born sold him. His parents and the authorities failed him repeatedly. This has nothing to do with any sympathy for him. It's the reality of his life and our ineffective institutions. He should have been institutionalized because he was obviously deeply disturbed and never should have been allowed near a gun, much less to own one. The level of failure here right up to the moment of the shooting on all levels and all counts is massive.
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From what I e read he was the bully
 
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