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Rejecting words and actions which perpetrate, support or encourage white supremacists

The only "conflicting data" is from AZ.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html

"In 136 metro areas, almost 70 percent of those studied, the immigrant population increased between 1980 and 2016 while crime stayed stable or fell. The number of areas where crime and immigration both increased was much lower — 54 areas, slightly more than a quarter of the total. The 10 places with the largest increases in immigrants all had lower levels of crime in 2016 than in 1980."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...cepeda-immigration-column-st-0506-story.html#
 
Can you name reasons they’re anti-immigration that are supported by facts?
 
Junebug said:
Look, I have no idea if Laura Ingraham is a racist or not, nor do I really care. I don’t watch her show or follow her tweets. The only reason I posted is because I don’t think her segment was racist and I get tired of the suggestion that the only reason conservatives are anti-immigration is because they are racists.
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Richard Spencer, David Duke, Tom Metzger, Donald Trump and Laura Ingraham agree with you about her segment not being racist. Nice company for you to keep.

In your world it's also not racist to use lies about crime to justify being anti-immigration.
 
doesn't help you separate yourself from giving cover to racism.
 
BarcaDeac said:
sounds like people should just leave Charlottesville, which is the right thing to do anyway
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A significant chunk of our town doesn't have the financial wherewithal to travel for 3 days. I get we were underprepared last year, though much of that was due to a lousy new police chief. But this year, it fortunately looks like all of the white supremacist activity will be 2 hours north of us. I get wanting to be prepared and the additional police presence but downtown businesses are angry at the loss of a summer weekend, and they've closed down all the leisure activity areas, where no white supremacists would be congregating anyway.
 
That link doesn't work for me.

Anyhow, I won't pretend expertise, but google results suggest an overall neutral or weakly negative correlation between immigrant (legal and not) populations and crime in the US. That seems to be what the information we have suggests.

It's just fear mongering (and lying) by Trump and others to suggest that the concern is "crime".
 
Junebug said:
Federal crimes by citizen/non-citizen:

https://isb.ussc.gov/api/repos/:USSC:table_xx.xcdf/generatedContent?table_num=Table09

Last I checked, non-citizens made up <10% of the US population, yet they constitute 40% of federal convictions.

Yes, I recognize this includes immigration offenses, but (1) even taking those convictions out, the numbers are still disproportionate and (2) the US government isn’t prosecuting immigration offenses because the FBI discovered them at Boy Scout meetings.
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But seriously, you need to control for some factors to find the actual relationship.
 
 
Junebug said:
In the entire 11-minute segment, not just the 30-second quote about “demographics,” it is obvious she is referring to the new demographics insofar as they relate to crime rates. She’s not talking about disliking illegal immigrants because they are brown.
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What could possibly influence her to say that if it is actually not true?
 
IamThunderbolt said:
But immigrants, both legal and undocumented, commit fewer crimes per capita than native born Americans. So any link between immigration and crime is based on bias/racism, not fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/
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Yeah, but we all know those “native born Americans” numbers are inflated by the black community (who all mindlessly vote Democrat) and second generation Latino immigrant children....I’d like to see the numbers for just white [real] Americans. Are there any crime rate numbers for those people?
 
There were last year. They just now know there is backlash. Their faces will be on television and they can lose their job.
Trump gave these assholes a voice. They used it and some suffered consequences.
I imagine plenty would love to fight antifa, they just don’t want their boss to see them on CNN.
 
Oh hey everybody, catamount is playing his false equivalency games again.
 
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