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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Charles Coleman de-commits to Wake. :(

netflixnchildres said:
URI and Xavier would not be considered because I'm talking about schools that fired a coach, not a situation where a coach was hired into a better job and his underlings took over. When a coach is hired away from a university for a better job, the retention rate of recruits is higher in that situation for multiple obvious reasons. No school is hiring Danny Manning away from Wake Forest for his performance here. Thus, the comparable schools would be where a coach was fired because the program was headed in the wrong direction and a new staff took over.
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Show me the Top 150s that bled away excluding X and RI.

This is sounding much like your premise about immigration (that you never came back to after being proven wrong).
 
RJKarl said:
Show me the Top 150s that bled away excluding X and RI.

This is sounding much like your premise about immigration (that you never came back to after being proven wrong).
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I've spent zero time on researching the immigration issue, but don't worry when I do I'll come back to it. When I decide its a priority in life I'll make my point. I did however quickly go on to 247 today and pull up the top 150 over the past years and look at what school each guy committed to, if that school had a new coach, and when the offer was made to that recruit. For example, in the 2018 class ZERO top 50 recruits were landed in that situation, 1 top 100 player committed to a school that offered him before a coaching change (Cart'Are Gordon to St. Louis) and it was because it was his hometown school (which is the case the majority of the time that happens), and the only guys able to pull that off with top 100-150 players were Keatts, Penny Hardaway, and Archie Miller.
 
Like that post, you made one here with no evidence and expect to disprove your position. Have some proof before making such statements. Please.
 
RJKarl said:
Like that post, you made one here with no evidence and expect to disprove your position. Have some proof before making such statements. Please.
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Re-read, I just pulled a sample out from the 2018 class and gave you the only 4 examples from the top 150 players. That is a fact and evidence that supports my position. I'm not going to create a 1 page long thread showing all 1200 players and pointing out which ones committed to a school after a head coach that offered them originally was fired. If you doubt my research feel free to check it yourself. Go to 247, pull up the 2008-2018 classes, find all the players that committed to new head coaches, cross-reference it with coaches that took over for fired coaches. Then take those players and check to see if the new coach or old coach was the one who originally offered the recruit. I can tell you its not hard to look up, and the answer is 95% of the time players do not commit to a school when the original coach that offered them has been fired before they enroll.
 
How many basketball recruits have we had decommit after losing/firing the coach? Shelton Mitchell is the only name that immediately jumps to mind.
 
The bottom line is 1 of 2 things will happen. Best case scenario, Danny is fired sometime between now and April and a new coach offers all new 2020 recruits and lands some top 150 guys. Worst case scenario Danny is still here next season after winning under 10 games this year and we have no shot at anyone in the top 150 for the 2020 class.
 
netflixnchildres said:
Re-read, I just pulled a sample out from the 2018 class and gave you the only 4 examples from the top 150 players. That is a fact and evidence that supports my position. I'm not going to create a 1 page long thread showing all 1200 players and pointing out which ones committed to a school after a head coach that offered them originally was fired. If you doubt my research feel free to check it yourself. Go to 247, pull up the 2008-2018 classes, find all the players that committed to new head coaches, cross-reference it with coaches that took over for fired coaches. Then take those players and check to see if the new coach or old coach was the one who originally offered the recruit. I can tell you its not hard to look up, and the answer is 95% of the time players do not commit to a school when the original coach that offered them has been fired before they enroll.
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Before you make a definitive statement, you should have the information that backs it. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Ranger I think we kept all the recruits Dino signed before being fired. I don't think we lost any in the last situation either.
 
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RJKarl said:
Before you make a definitive statement, you should have the information that backs it. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Ranger I think we kept all the recruits Dino signed before being fired. I don't think we lost any in the last situation either.
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WTF are you not getting? My information I'm using is publicly available, and I just explained to you how I looked it up in the post you quoted. Either your reading comprehension is sub-par or you're not even reading.
 
netflixnchildres said:
WTF are you not getting? My information I'm using is publicly available, and I just explained to you how I looked it up in the post you quoted. Either your reading comprehension is sub-par or you're not even reading.
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I'm getting everything you post and your style. Once again, you made a post without any information and demanded others prove you wrong. They you cherry-picked one year and repeated that others should look it up.

If I say 50% of X does Y. I should have the data to show this is so. I shouldn't demand others prove my point. I should have the proof of my hypothesis.

You demand others do the work. That's not the way it should be.
 
RJKarl said:
I'm getting everything you post and your style. Once again, you made a post without any information and demanded others prove you wrong. They you cherry-picked one year and repeated that others should look it up.

If I say 50% of X does Y. I should have the data to show this is so. I shouldn't demand others prove my point. I should have the proof of my hypothesis.

You demand others do the work. That's not the way it should be.
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I've already done my work, you mentioned 2 guys. 2<60. I gave you 2018, its not hard to look up 1050 more guys, it filters down pretty quickly when you realize most top 150 recruits commit to schools with coaches who have been there for years, saves time. I would know because I've already done the work. Name Redacted kept 2 guys, plus the 2018 class that =6 total. If you think I'm making up statistics go find 54 more times it happened in the last 10 years and prove me wrong. You'll waste your time and find out I'm right, but feel free to do it.
 
netflixnchildres said:
I've already done my work, you mentioned 2 guys. 2<60. I gave you 2018, its not hard to look up 1050 more guys, it filters down pretty quickly when you realize most top 150 recruits commit to schools with coaches who have been there for years, saves time. I would know because I've already done the work. Name Redacted kept 2 guys, plus the 2018 class that =6 total. If you think I'm making up statistics go find 54 more times it happened in the last 10 years and prove me wrong. You'll waste your time and find out I'm right, but feel free to do it.
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Talk about not reading or not having any comprehension. The highlighted part shows EXACTLY what I've said multiple times.

YOU made the statement. YOU should have to prove not me, not anyone else.

Of course, when given about TEN sources between myself and others on the immigration thread, you ran away and hid saying you didn't have the time to look things up. You disputed the IRS and SSA as sources in spite of those being the EXACT sources with the most data about your preposterous post.

The proper time for looking things up is BEFORE YOU POST. It's totally dishonest to post something with no sources and demand others prove or disprove it.
 
netflixnchildres said:
The point of the statistic is to show the truth of how recruiting works now. If your coach is a dead man walking he's not picking up top 150 players for the university. Any new commits that Wake Forest would get from a new coach in 2020 would come from the offers made by that new coach.

Put simply, when a new coach takes over for a fired coach 95% of the time his recruits are coming from his offers. Only 5% of the time does a new coach get a commitment from a recruit that was offered by the school before he arrived.[/QUOTE]

That is not what your statistic shows. At least not as originally stated
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RJKarl said:
Talk about not reading or not having any comprehension. The highlighted part shows EXACTLY what I've said multiple times.

YOU made the statement. YOU should have to prove not me, not anyone else.

Of course, when given about TEN sources between myself and others on the immigration thread, you ran away and hid saying you didn't have the time to look things up. You disputed the IRS and SSA as sources in spite of those being the EXACT sources with the most data about your preposterous post.

The proper time for looking things up is BEFORE YOU POST. It's totally dishonest to post something with no sources and demand others prove or disprove it.
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Read the sentence right after the part you highlighted, you fucking imbecile. I did look it up before I posted the statistic. You're so fucking butt hurt I don't want to spend time on your immigration debate, without even looking back at it I remember that one thing you cited said half of all illegal immigrants in the US pay taxes. Talk about an unreliable statistic. No entity knows exactly how many illegal immigrants are living in the United States, so that statistic is a guess at best. When I feel the need to go back to that thread and address it I will. Back to this thread, its really easy for me to look up and verify 1200 basketball players and with confidence I can say what I'm saying. My source is 247, which I stated repeatedly. Its a website that tells you where the top 150 players committed. Its also really easy to cross reference when each school hired their coach, and if the previous coach was fired. Its also somewhat easy to look up the dates each player got offered. Your entire post sucks ass, but I don't care enough to neg rep it.
 
You showed ONE site for ONE year. That doesn't prove shit.

I'm not butt hurt at all about the immigration thread. What it does is show you are too lazy to prove your BS posts and here.

My previous post is 100% accurate. If anyone posts something, it up to THEM to prove what they allege. Only lazy, dishonest people tell others to prove them wrong when they post something.

IT'S UP TO YOU TO PROVE WHAT YOU SAY NOT US TO DISPROVE IT. YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR POSITION.

If you can't understand the difference it's either laziness, fear of being wrong, gross stupidity or willful dishonesty.
 
In neg repping me, netflix alleges he looked up EVERY year. Of course, he has never said that on the thread and never brought up even 10-15 specific people who prove his point.

BTW, redacted didn't lose any Top 150 recruits and neither did Danny. Thus, your statement that one or both did is totally false.
 
RJKarl said:
In neg repping me, netflix alleges he looked up EVERY year. Of course, he has never said that on the thread and never brought up even 10-15 specific people who prove his point.

BTW, redacted didn't lose any Top 150 recruits and neither did Danny. Thus, your statement that one or both did is totally false.
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Actually I did say that if you could read, and I also said redacted kept two top-150 guys. Danny had zero top 150 commits in the 2014 class. Wilbiken was the highest rated guy in that class, and he was offered by Danny not redacted. Doral, Bryant, and all the other 2015 guys were also offered by Danny and not Bzzzz. You seem to really be struggling on this thread.
 
Thanks for proving you didn't really look up Redacted. We had FOUR Top 100 players - McKie, JTT, Tabb, Desrosiers not two and all stayed.

When called on not doing what you allege to have done, you empirically prove you just continue to make shit up.
 
RJKarl said:
Thanks for proving you didn't really look up Redacted. We had FOUR Top 100 players - McKie, JTT, Tabb, Desrosiers not two and all stayed.

When called on not doing what you allege to have done, you empirically prove you just continue to make shit up.
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JTT wasn't ranked in their top 150 and Carson for some reason was not listed as a commit. Even if I missed 1 guy per year (Carson was not listed as being committed anywhere despite being in the top 150), that still equals 6% of the time it happens vs. 94% of the time it doesn't. I really don't fucking care to argue over tiny percentages because the bottom line is, way more often then not, recruiting a top-150 kid before you fire a coach does not equal that kid still coming to your school.
 
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