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Sutton Sports Performance Center Catches Fire At Wake Forest University

Strickland33 said:
As Sociology teaches us, symbols are socially constructed and, in that way not inherently "real," but that doesn't mean that they (and the ideology that they represent) are not real in their social and historical consequences.
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hey now put some respek on Semiology's name

smh Levi-Strauss and Pierce rolling over in their graves
 
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TenaciousKory said:
hey now put some respek on Semiology's name

smh Levi-Strauss and Pierce rolling over in their graves
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Levi-Strauss and Pierce rolling over in their graves at you calling it "semiology".

Saussure cool with it though
 
look man i'm p sure that i'm gonna find some semiotics citations if I check them pubs don't hate
 
ConnorEl said:
What Does the Confederate Flag Symbolize? Seven in ten Working-Class Whites Say “Southern Pride”
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This sort of thing just raises a follow on question, which is, what exactly is the point of "Southern Pride"?

I am not aware of the phenomenon of "Northern Pride" or "Midwestern Pride" being symbolized by particular flags or whatever. People from other areas may be proud of their Yankee heritage, or midwestern farm ethic, or they may take particular pride in their individual state or city or university. But the Southern Pride thing is of a different kind altogether. Why is that? Why, as a North Carolinian, am I supposed to be proud of being associated with Mississippi and Arkansas? Or, God help me, Florida?

In my opinion, it's because the South - i.e., the old Confederacy - never got over being defeated in the Civil War, and later being forced by the rest of the country to give up Jim Crow and their other racist "traditions". "Southern Pride" is not pride about the nice weather or how good the restaurants are or the pretty views along the Blue Ridge parkway. It's certainly not about the great schools or low poverty rate. Its about setting the region apart in opposition to the rest of the country, and trying to assert a sense of superiority in spite of the fact that the South was conclusively shown to be inferior in 1865 and 1965, and is still economically and educationally inferior today.

The concept of "Southern Pride" and celebrating the old Confederacy as a region is fundamentally and irretrievably tied to slavery, the Civil War, and Jim Crow. And I say this as a person who has lived his entire life in the South.
 
For many, I suspect, it’s just about attempting to be proud of (or feel good about) where you’re from. An impulse made more pressing by countervailing realities, present and historical.
 
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WhatUTalkinBout Willis said:
WAIT A DAMN MINUTE. 2 things about this article:

1- they must have asked at least 3 people who aren't from the deep south to get to 7/10.
2- Only 8/10 blacks said they see the confederate flag as racist.

  • Notably, eight in ten (80 percent) black Americans say they view the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism.
Say what?
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Moreover, this poll is pretty meaningless because even rubes know they're not supposed to say that the flag on the back of their truck is about white supremacy.

A really interesting poll would be to first ask questions about racial attitudes, then ask questions about the confederate flag, then compare the results.

My bet is that very high percentages of the people who say the flag is about "southern pride" would also express some pretty retrograde opinions on race.
 
Deacon923 said:
Moreover, this poll is pretty meaningless because even rubes know they're not supposed to say that the flag on the back of their truck is about white supremacy.

A really interesting poll would be to first ask questions about racial attitudes, then ask questions about the confederate flag, then compare the results.

My bet is that very high percentages of the people who say the flag is about "southern pride" would also express some pretty retrograde opinions on race.
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Eduardo Bonilla-Silva (and colleagues) actually conducted this research and found that non-racist respondents on surveys presented a far more complicated, oftentimes racist worldview when interviewed. Racism Without Racists is the book, if anybody is interested.
 
Strickland33 said:
Eduardo Bonilla-Silva (and colleagues) actually conducted this research and found that non-racist respondents on surveys presented a far more complicated, oftentimes racist worldview when interviewed. Racism Without Racists is the book, if anybody is interested.
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$39 ? That's for sure some ivory tower elitist BS !
 
Good reviews though:

Review
The book challenges the students to rethink dominant paradigms on race in the U.S., but [they] respond extremely well to it. The new chapter is very engaging. (Mary Romero, Arizona State University)

In the new chapter Bonilla-Silva provides a stinging critique of Obama and the very notion that the election of a black man has a positive impact on the state of racial inequality in America. This is a powerful chapter for a very powerful book. (Hayward Derrick Horton, SUNY - Albany)

Praise for the previous edition:Every white American should have the privilege to have that eureka moment: Ah! Now I understand what being white means, in the most profound sense.' The entire world looks different from then on. Racism without Racists leads white Americans to that very moment of discovery. (Judith Blau, UNC, Chapel Hill)

Praise for the previous edition:Racism without Racists will make many readers uncomfortable, as it should. With care and a wicked sense of humor, Eduardo Bonilla-Silva explores the kind of subtle, everyday racism that some of 'our best friends' unconsciously perpetuate. (Robin D. G. Kelley, author of Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination)

About the Author
Eduardo Bonilla-Silva is professor of sociology at Duke University.
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Oh man, I wonder if he mentored one of our moreprolific posters not named RJKarl.
 
PhDeac said:
LOL. You made a really poor post to try to prove a point. I was wondering if you’d try to back it up.

I have a tough time believing educated people can be so ignorant as to not know the basic history of their country and the purpose and meaning of the Confederate flag. If all these people who were pro-Confederacy in the 80s did not hold the same beliefs today, we wouldn’t still be fighting battles over Confederate monuments and how the Civil War is taught. We also wouldn’t have people siding with neo-Nazis.
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Again, you change the subject or completely reframe someone else's post/question because you don't want deal with it. It is a common posting tactic that you employ, and it is annoying as Hell, along with your condescending attitude.

It is my observation from your nearly 100k posts that you have a tough time crediting anything, or anyone, whose views differ from yours. It's always other people whose views or perspectives are unreasonable, not yours. It's always other people who are the racists, not you. It's always other people who are [FILL IN THE BLANK], not you.

Somebody is in a 37-year old picture with a Confederate flag (or name something else that SJWs deem to be offensive), well then they must be evil, bigoted, racist, stupid (or perhaps ignorant, as you just labeled me). Such a transgression obviously and completely defines who they are as an individual. They must be personally and professionally destroyed, regardless of their true character or what they have actually done to help other people or otherwise better society over the course of their lives. They must prove a negative, that they are notracists. These people must apologize and show contrition, an apology, mind you, that will never be accepted. It will never be enough to some people, particularly if they can make some political hay out of it.

Since you didn't want to address my point before, I'll ask it again. Who are you? Why do you get to decide who is and who is not a racist? Is it because you are black? Is it because you are a college professor? Is it because ______? Why don't I get to make the same assessment? How do I know that you are not a racist? Can you prove that you are not a racist? And who determines whether or not you have met your burden of proof?
 
92, my problems with her are her half-assed apology and that she left the school hanging out to dry. The instant the Northam pics hit the press, everyone in the public eye (especially someone in a position like hers) should have looked at their own house.

She knew she had an alliance with the KAs. My position all along has been she knew who the KAs were at that time and in the recent past of that time at Wake.It would have taken her a very few minutes to find this picture and take control of the situation. She waited and put the university in the public eye unnecessarily.

She dropped the ball and should have some repercussions. Not fired, but she made mistakes that could harm her employer.
 
19deac92, you seem to take issue with the idea that someone who shows reverence to a symbol of racism should demonstrate they don't hold those beliefs.

That's kind of a basic thing. If I saw you wearing a UNC shirt in an old picture, it would be reasonable for me to ask if you're a UNC fan. If you say you're not, it's reasonable for me to ask if you were when you took the picture and if so, why you're not anymore.
 
RJKarl said:
92, my problems with her are her half-assed apology and that she left the school hanging out to dry. The instant the Northam pics hit the press, everyone in the public eye (especially someone in a position like hers) should have looked at their own house.

She knew she had an alliance with the KAs. My position all along has been she knew who the KAs were at that time and in the recent past of that time at Wake.It would have taken her a very few minutes to find this picture and take control of the situation. She waited and put the university in the public eye unnecessarily.

She dropped the ball and should have some repercussions. Not fired, but she made mistakes that could harm her employer.
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Have you gone and perused your own yearbooks? Shit, I don't even HAVE yearbooks from college.
 
PhDeac said:
19deac92, you seem to take issue with the idea that someone who shows reverence to a symbol of racism should demonstrate they don't hold those beliefs.

That's kind of a basic thing. If I saw you wearing a UNC shirt in an old picture, it would be reasonable for me to ask if you're a UNC fan. If you say you're not, it's reasonable for me to ask if you were when you took the picture and if so, why you're not anymore.
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The fact that she was in the picture means she shows reverence to the symbol?
 
Shorty said:
The fact that she was in the picture means she shows reverence to the symbol?
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Why else would someone pose with a Confederate flag?

Junebug said:
The problem with your analogy is that it is almost certain that someone wearing a UNC shirt in 1982 was a UNC fan. It is not reasonable to assume that someone standing in front of the confederate flag for a picture in 1982 was a racist.
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Why else would someone pose with a Confederate flag?
 
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