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First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

WakeandBake said:
Dems are shitty at politics. The GOP is bereft of good ideas and run by a lying illiterate clown. America is full of idiots hell bent on voting against their best interests. Jesus fuck
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Nothing in this post is incorrect
 
Highland Deac said:
^This. I'll probably never vote Republican again, and certainly won't as long as they stay on their current path, but I have no problems admitting that the Dems usually suck when it comes to effective messaging, grassroots organization, developing a bench, etc. They did those things well with Obama's two campaigns, and they did it well in the 2018 House elections, but usually the GOP always seems to have the edge when it comes to messaging and getting their base out to vote. Maybe, just maybe, 2018 marked the signs of a turnaround for the Dems, we'll know for sure in 2020.
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I will say, it’s a lot easier to message when you’re willing to lie about literally everything, use those lies to instill fear, and target a demographic that is largely uneducated and mostly racist/xenophobic so they are more likely to believe the lies without looking for supporting evidence
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I will say, it’s a lot easier to message when you’re willing to lie about literally everything, use those lies to instill fear, and target a demographic that is largely uneducated and mostly racist/xenophobic so they are more likely to believe the lies without looking for supporting evidence
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I completely agree, it's just frustrating to see it happen again and again. Obama did those things well twice, and the Dems did better with messaging in 2018. However, I think their handling of the Kavanaugh hearings was inept, and their efforts to deal with the Mueller Report/Barr Summary have been pretty bungled too. It's definitely easier if you're the GOP and can say or do anything and know your base will just shrug (as long as you're hurting "the right people", as a Florida Trumpite said in an article).
 
Yeah. Good luck messaging on “The last century of American “progress” was built on devastating damage to the environment and resulted in massive social inequality.”

At least Democrats have learned to name big ideas after things that are historically popular like Medicare and the New Deal.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I will say, it’s a lot easier to message when you’re willing to lie about literally everything, use those lies to instill fear, and target a demographic that is largely uneducated and mostly racist/xenophobic so they are more likely to believe the lies without looking for supporting evidence
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I mean, Dems have used this playbook effectively, too. Biden and the older guard, in particular. The question is whether you can harness populist/public-facing messaging for legitimately progressive causes instead of returning to the Jim Crow and neoliberal status quos...
 
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
I will say, it’s a lot easier to message when you’re willing to lie about literally everything, use those lies to instill fear, and target a demographic that is largely uneducated and mostly racist/xenophobic so they are more likely to believe the lies without looking for supporting evidence
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Yep
 
Newenglanddeac said:
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Yeah, so that thing that the DOJ is "not going to give it to you" under any circumstances ? We're going to play another card in the "not going to give it to you" game.
 
Republicans are showing their 100% being owned by Trump and their willingness for Trump to be our dictator.
 
But according to conservative political and RW news media talking heads, the Report completely clears Trump of all wrongdoing. So why go to such extremes to keep it hidden? LOL at the GOP. Also, it would appear that Trump is determined to force a constitutional crisis over this, as he's clearly determined not to allow the House (or anybody else) to actually investigate anything in his administration. Given that the Constitution gives clear and broad investigative powers to the House of Representatives, I guess we'll soon see if we still have a constitutional republic, or if we're rapidly morphing into something much uglier. And what will Trumpites do? Shrug, blame the Dems, and express glee that he's made the hated liberal elite angry yet again! #TrumpPOTUSForLife
 
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Again revealing how weak separation of powers truly are from an enforcement vantage point. GOP just continuing to show our institutions’ vulnerabilities.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Again revealing how weak separation of powers truly are from an enforcement vantage point. GOP just continuing to show our institutions’ vulnerabilities.
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Where was all of this teeth-gnashing and pearl clutching from the left on "vulnerable institutions" when Obama claimed executive privilege in withholding Fast & Furious docs requested by Congress in 2012?

*crickets*
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Again revealing how weak separation of powers truly are from an enforcement vantage point. GOP just continuing to show our institutions’ vulnerabilities.
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Yep. So what happens next now that we know our entire government operates on a partisan honors system?

Highland Deac said:
But according to conservative political and RW news media talking heads, the Report completely clears Trump of all wrongdoing. So why go to such extremes to keep it hidden? LOL at the GOP. Also, it would appear that Trump is determined to force a constitutional crisis over this, as he's clearly determined not to allow the House (or anybody else) to actually investigate anything in his administration. Given that the Constitution gives clear and broad investigative powers to the House of Representatives, I guess we'll soon see if we still have a constitutional republic, or if we're rapidly morphing into something much uglier. And what will Trumpites do? Shrug, blame the Dems, and express glee that he's made the hated liberal elite angry yet again! #TrumpPOTUSForLife
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What actually is a "constitutional crisis?" The Constitution doesn't leave much gray area. The Constitution is whatever the courts say it is. So if the President stacks the courts with his people, they can declare him a dictator within the bounds of the Constitution. The Supreme Court could rule that the 22nd Amendment doesn't prevent President Trump from running for a 3rd term. I'm sure conservative legal scholars could come up with some rationale. The Constitution is just a suggestion.


BiffTannen said:
Did he also invoke it ?
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e·voke

/əˈvōk/

verb
verb: evoke; 3rd person present: evokes; past tense: evoked; past participle: evoked; gerund or present participle: evoking


  • 1.
    bring or recall to the conscious mind.
    "the sight of American asters evokes pleasant memories of childhood"
    synonyms:bring to mind, call to mind, put one in mind of, call up, conjure up, summon up, summon, invoke, give rise to, bring forth, elicit, induce, kindle, stimulate, stir up, awaken, arouse, excite, raise, suggest; Morerecall, echo, reproduce, encapsulate, capture, express;
    formaleduce
    "the poems evoke a sense of desolate emptiness"





    • elicit (a response).
      "the awkward kid who evoked giggles from his sisters"
      synonyms:bring to mind, call to mind, put one in mind of, call up, conjure up, summon up, summon, invoke, give rise to, bring forth, elicit, induce, kindle, stimulate, stir up, awaken, arouse, excite, raise, suggest; Morerecall, echo, reproduce, encapsulate, capture, express;
      formaleduce
      "the poems evoke a sense of desolate emptiness"









  • 2.
    invoke (a spirit or deity).

    synonyms:bring to mind, call to mind, put one in mind of, call up, conjure up, summon up, summon, invoke, give rise to, bring forth, elicit, induce, kindle, stimulate, stir up, awaken, arouse, excite, raise, suggest; More




 
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